Freedom Box is one of the free download demo?s that I have already tried and discarded but the Mac voiceover sounds good do you have a web address for it? >From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:21:24 -0000 > >Susan et al, >If I were investigating my options now I would look at system access. £270 >with upgrades free for the first year then £70 after that. > >www.freedombox.info > >Apparently this can do messenger email and web browsing. Not sure what >else. > >I would also investigate the Mac screen reader called Voice over of which >there will be a new one in the new year. This comes built into the OS. >Not >sure how good this second one will be. The first one was a good start but >needs more work. This would also mean learning a new operating system. > >Nigel >My opinions are my own. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:33 AM >Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > > > >I am one of those struggling to keep up with the updates to jaws but have > > been unsuccessful in finding an alternative screenreader that can go > > everywhere and do things as quickly as Jaws, so if you come across a > > screenreader that is able to do what Jaws does without all the problems >I > > am > > sure we would all like to know so we can all have it instead of moarning > > about the problems that Jaws is facing up to just to keep up with > > Technology > > > > > >>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:45:30 -0000 > >> > >>I say they are a luxury item as a lot of blind people do not have such > >>software. > >> > >>Nigel > >>Do you have a sports car? > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:14 PM > >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >> > >> > >> > They haven't been a luxury item. They are an expensive necessity. > >> > > >> > Iain > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:42 PM > >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >> > > >> > > >> > Very well said Robin. > >> > Only thing I would say is that screen readers have always been a >luxury > >> > item > >> > for the blind. > >> > > >> > Nigel > >> > There's something wrong there. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:26 PM > >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] The great jaws 8 debate? > >> > > >> > > >> >>I sometimes wonder if we've reached a watershed in jaws and what it > >> >> achieves in serving our needs. I mean, now we've just been >introduced > >>to > >> >> IE7 and a suitably compatible version of Jaws, if you're O/S is XP, > >>then > >> >> don't you think you have enough ammunition to sit tight for the next > >> >> five years and maybe much more without spending any more cash on >this > >> >> product? This I accept will apply more to the domestic user rather > >> >> than > >> >> us poor pro's in employment. > >> >> > >> >> By the time you reach the point where your system and jfw can't do >the > >> >> job you need, then your computer system might need replacing, an > >> >> alternative screen reader at a much lower price may be around the > >>market > >> >> place, and heck, maybe they'll speed up that research and cure us >all > >> >> who suffer from RP! > >> >> > >> >> I totally agree that the enhancements in recent times, one could > >> >> argue, > >> >> don't justify the upgrade price, and they do tend to bring in these > >> >> upgrades at frequent intervals when perhaps they could be re >scheduled > >> >> to a longer period encompassing more of the new features in one > >> >> upgrade > >> >> instead of two. > >> >> > >> >> But these techies at FS are constantly working to keep up with > >> >> technology and I suppose they've got to earn a living, just a pity >it > >> >> has to be sponsored by us, the drawback of a product that's >specialist > >> >> and has a limited market. I admit it's easy to be kind of casual >about > >> >> the product when I'm fortunate to have mine paid by my employer, but >I > >> >> do sympathise with the domestic users who have to shell out a lot of > >> >> cash they can't afford and find it difficult to agree they're >getting > >> >> value for their money. > >> >> > >> >> All in all it's a fantastic tool for blind and visually impaired > >> >> people > >> >> but it's fast becoming a luxury item. > >> >> > >> >> J m o, > >> >> > >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> > >> >> Robin Clayden, > >> >> Edinburgh College of Art, > >> >> 74 Lauriston Place, > >> >> EDINBURGH EH3 9DF. > >> >> > >> >> T: +44 0 131 221 6000 > >> >> E: r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx > >> >> W: http://www.eca.ac.uk=20 > >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> ** and in the Subject line type > >> >> ** unsubscribe > >> >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> >> ** immediately-following link:- > >> >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> >> ** or send a message, to > >> >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: > >> >> 20/11/2006 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > ** and in the Subject line type > >> > ** unsubscribe > >> > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> > ** immediately-following link:- > >> > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> > ** or send a message, to > >> > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >> > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >> > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >> > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > ** and in the Subject line type > >> > ** unsubscribe > >> > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >> > ** immediately-following link:- > >> > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >> > ** or send a message, to > >> > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.13/546 - Release Date: > >> > 22/11/2006 > >> > > >> > >>** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > >>** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > >>** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > >>** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>** and in the Subject line type > >>** unsubscribe > >>** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > >>** immediately-following link:- > >>** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > >>** or send a message, to > >>** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. 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