[jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update

If you locate the first of those number entry boxes and press tab does it 
reliably go round those and tell you what they are from there.  This I think is 
what the David was having problems with.  He seemed to be suggesting that 
either the positioning was random and/or not being announced correctly.
The page I use to get into my bank does this all on the same page to let you go 
in, however my credit card does the same sort ot thing in three pages which 
seems less fun.  I don't know whether this is security based or simply they 
thought that the best form of design.  Personally the way Nationwide do it is 
very civilised I even found a hidden link for screen reader users describing 
the last significant change to the sign in page.

Regards.

Tristram Llewellyn
Sight and Sound Technology
Technical Support
www.sightandsound.co.uk

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vanja Sudar 
  To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:47 AM
  Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


  If this can help, the only thing I notice slightly differently from jaws 7.0 
  when using natwest is that once the first screen in which you have to enter 
  your customer number is past, jaws is not automiticly focused on first 
  editbox to enter a random digit from your pin, so the best thing in this 
  case is to do the following: either press shift+h or keep pressing h till 
  jaws says "your pin" then move the cursor down to the first edit box, which 
  will be the field for the first digit from your pin.  The person with the 
  problem may be getting confused because after hitting next jaws is not 
  always focused on the first field so, like I said, make sure you first 
  locate the "your pin" headding then move the virtual cursor to the first 
  field and only then enter forms mode and enter your detials.  HTH
  Vanja
  http://www.sudar.co.uk
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
  To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:16 AM
  Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


  I have tested Jaws 7.10 with www.nationwide.co.uk banking sign in and that 
  works OK, the new DOM support isn't making anything more difficult here. 
  The systems accross most of these online banking systems are quite similar 
  in their operation.  We also have one user on Natwest who is not 
  experiencing problems which is puzzling.
  Regards.

  Tristram Llewellyn
  Sight and Sound Technology
  Technical Support
  www.sightandsound.co.uk

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David
    To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:18 PM
    Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


    Brian,
    Well done, it worked like a dream.

    I've read your notes but I think I'll have to read them again.  Thanks.

    Regards

    David


    -----Original Message-----
    From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
    Behalf Of Brian Hartgen
    Sent: 26 June 2006 18:40
    To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


    David,

    Try this and let me know if it works.

    1. Start internet explorer.

    2. Bring up the conffiguration manager with insert and number 6 on the 
  main
    qwerty keyboard.

    3. Press alt S for set options, H for HTML options.

    4. Shift tab back once to the property sheets and arrow right until you
    reach miscellaneous.

    5. Tab to the check box entitled "use legacy internet explorer support" 
  and
    press space to check it.

    6. Press enter to close the dialog.

    7. Press control+s to save the file.

    8. Press alt+F4 to quit the configuration manager.

    NOTES

    This procedure should revert back to legacy support for Internet Explorer.
    There is no doubt that pages do behave very differently with the new IE
    support, and you should only use legacy if everything else fails.  My 
  reason
    for saying that is clearly the new internet explorer support, delivered 
  via
    the Document Object Model, is clearly the way Freedom Scientific intends 
  to
    deliver web pages to us in the future.  To that end, the more of us who 
  use
    the new support and report to FS when things go wrong, the better.  This 
  new
    DOM support is hopefully a stepping stone to greater things in the years 
  to
    come and we must support it whenever we can.

    In addition to the differences in the rendering of pages, people will 
  notice
    two distinct differences with new DOM support.

    1. When you tab from one link or control to another, a yellow rectangle is
    also present.  One of the difficulties with jaws has historically been the
    lack of visual feedback concerning precisely what jaws is saying.  This
    rectangle is an aid to sighted individuals. The difficulty for us is that 
  in
    my view it makes the tab key less responsive.  When you arrow through a
    document, visual focus is not tracked.

    2. Jaws is now better able to handle the difference between data and 
  layout
    tables.  For example, if you visit a site such as
    www.tandt-consultancy.com
    Where we have used a layout table to display information, jaws 7.0 and
    before will announce the fact that you are entering and leaving a table. 
  As
    blind people, we possibly don't care about that, but we do care about data
    tables - those tables such as train time tables which need to be processed
    in a tabular way.  Jaws 7.10, using new DOM support, will not indicate the
    presence of these layout tables which from a new user standpoint is very
    good indeed.

    I hope I have explained this new concept of Internet support clearly and
    David, I hope my solution works for you.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
  On
    Behalf Of David
    Sent: 26 June 2006 18:06
    To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update

    Hi Tristram,
    I have tested the Natwest webpage again with Jaws 7.0 and had no 
  difficulty
    at all.  I then had three attempts with Jaws 7.10 and failed.

    Strangely, the second attempt allowed me to enter three digits in their
    separate fields, or I thought so, then realised i had been asked to enter
    the same number twice and that can't be right.  I then entered a 
  character,
    only one, and was shot to the top of the page again.

    I have been in touch directly with S and S about this, can't remember the
    gentleman's name.  He suggested I try using the Insert F5 function which I
    did, not successfully.  In any case, it really should work as it does in
    7.0.

    I'll keep trying and report back.

    Regards


    -----Original Message-----
    From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tristram Llewellyn
    Sent: 26 June 2006 15:22
    To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


    Unfortunately I'm not a customer of theres so I cannot test this myself. 
  I
    take it that if you go back to 7.0 things work out OK, and this is not a
    coincidence that perhaps the bank have change their site as well?
    Regards.

    Tristram Llewellyn
    Sight and Sound Technology
    Technical Support
    www.sightandsound.co.uk

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: David
      To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:15 PM
      Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


      The bank is the National Westminster and the website I use is
      www.nwolb.co.uk

      I tested it again five minutes ago and there is quite definitely a
    problem.
      I have used this site regularly for about a year and had no problems 
  until
      Jaws 7.10.

      I also noticed today that having entered my personal number on the first
      page and pressed "next" it then asked me for my personal number again 
  but,
      in fact, it should have been part of my pin number.  Anyway, I did a 
  read
      line and it asked me to enter the first character of my pin number which 
  I
      did.  It should then have taken me to the next field to enter another 
  pin
      number but instead it asked me for the second character of my password. 
  I
      knew this was not right but entered it as requested and it immediately
    shot
      me to the top of the page.

      I don't like to mess around with this sort of site for long in case you
    end
      up having to re-register.  I hope you understand all that.

      Regards

      -----Original Message-----
      From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tristram Llewellyn
      Sent: 26 June 2006 10:47
      To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


      Obviously not interested in your bank details but which bank is that you
    are
      having this problem with, perhaps someone else has the same bank and 
  could
      compare notes with a view to finding what the problem is and then 
  possible
      resolution.
      Regards.

      Tristram Llewellyn
      Sight and Sound Technology
      Technical Support
      www.sightandsound.co.uk

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David
        To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:23 AM
        Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Something very anoying in the new update


        Hi,
        I have also had trouble with form fields with 7.10.  Not quite the 
  same
    as
        you I think.  What I am finding on a particular banking website is
      entering
        password digits in their individual fields.  Normally you 
  automatically
        start in field 1, then field 2 etc. but with 7.10 it seems to land on
    any
        random field and it doesn't reliably tell you wich.  When I use this
      website
        now I go back to 7.0.

        I have also noticed that some of the settings don't seem to have taken
        effect with the Merge Utilities function.  I might try running it 
  again.

        I had trouble with Google some time ago when it kept on interrupting
        everytime I went to a new field in a form.  I found the problem in
        Add/Remove Software.  Forgotten what it was called but had "google" in
    it.
        Taking it out sorted it.

        Things are not looking good I think with Jaws 7.1 at the moment but it
    is
        still a Beta version so can't moan I suppose.

        Regards

        David
        -----Original Message-----
        From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
        Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson
        Sent: 25 June 2006 23:01
        To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [jaws-uk] Something very anoying in the new update


        Hi,

        I am finding this new update a bit difficult to get used to.  The main
        reason is that on a web form, if you are arrowing through the form, 
  Jaws
        before 7.10 read out the relevant field, then the edit box etc for you
        to put the data into.  However, what I am now finding is that Jaws is
        reading some sort of attribute on the form entry fields, in addition 
  to
        the data which is visible in the browser window, in effect reading the
        data out twice for each arrow up/down.  It is not therefore easy to
        distinguish when you come to the edit field in a form, you have to use
        different navigation commands to get you to the next edit field etc.

        One clear example on this is at http://www.google.com, where I usually
        quickly arrow down until I hear the words "edit", however, now I hear
        the words "google search" read out twice, once for the text shown 
  above
        the form field, and once again on the form field itself.

        Is there any way to turn this feature off, so that I can hear the
        description of the field by pressing a key or something?

        Also, I realise that Brian has done a script for this, but I find
        Outlook a bit annoying when you continually hear the same message read
        out if you come to the bottom of the list.  If you are viewing a 
  folder
        with the new messages coming at the bottom, you don't know when you
        reach the bottom of the list easily, because you continually hear the
        last message in the list, which makes it seem like that person wrote
        loads of messages.

        Thanks.
        Andrew.


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