[jaws-uk] Re: Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use our computers?

Hi David, by mute do you mean that button that turns all sound off completely? You hear nothing at all then, yesterday in the request for good laptops I mentioned Toshiba both Andrew Hodgson had Toshibas Satellite Pro, although they were Home I think 1012 Series. The sound flaw that we had was awful as all Sound vanished, Andrew being skilful could go into run Dialogue and type something and raise it from dead that way. I could not and had to beg a sighted person to unmute it. James Watt of Toshiba the kind man who has a special interest in VIPs sent us patches and that fixed the Issue, after having my laptop cleaned off completely end of of last year using the recovery cd that came with my laptop I thought I would need the patch again since it was put back to Factory Issue as if new, however oddly enough there has never been a need to put a patch on it so something must have changed. By the way I was advised to get the Sound max out of the System tray where it is only too easy to turn sound off, touch wood I have never muted it since but if you did mute it and have no sound at all, how would you get sound back? Thanks Dorothy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W Wood" <g3yxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use our computers? 



Answer - YES!

Make sure that you create a shortcut to start it again.

Also make sure that they don't turn the master or wave volume to zero, and
(in particular) make sure that they don't mute the master volume.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Sam EDMUNDS
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:11 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use our 
computers?

I usually tell sighted people to turn Jaws off if they're using my pc
because it tends to confuse them.

I just have to make sure I tell them to turn it back on before they leave
otherwise I'm totally stuck!

Sam x
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiddy Ogg" <oggy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use our 

computers?



I admit my son leaves Jaws running when he's sorting things out for me,
but he knows generally what he's doing, and my input clarrifies other
points with Jaws' foibles.
But if the sighted person doesn't know the beast, shut it down.


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
Sent: 28 March 2008 22:20
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use
our computers?


but you cannot tell what the heck they are doing, and that is awful. I
noted
Tony Berry RNib Volunteer now lapping up life in France  didn't know
Jaws or
any screen reader but for my sake he  towards the end didn't turn Jaws
off
ever, mind you  that poor Tony   truly hated Jaws, he said " It lies all
the
time you cannot believe a thing it says" there was a reason for that
however
Jana's was telling   Fibs because  it couldn't work well in Monochrome
by
which I mean Jaws saw all White Text on a black background as Selected
or
highlighted text and as a result didn't treat it normally, I had to  go
the
long long road Mike to get to the bottom of that and Dr Lee Hamilton's
on
the Bigwigs at Freedom  my cousin  who is sighted once sent I looked
over
the Corporate Line up and saw all the  things and things Dr Hamilton
had
done and I thought that is the one  to ask so I made a tape rerecording
and
he could  hear and he asked Bryan carver Director of Technical support
to
run trials, and do them again with Magic and the Bryan carver phoned me
from
St Petersburg and spilled the beans,  it seems in times past  say
Windows
98 and before Jaws would work that way but as it became more
sophisticated
it really became more a product for totally blind  people but this was
not
stated. I then set about finding a way myself tried to  get a man to
make a
Switching box to invert the screen, he tried and failed then a Pal on
Jaws
list  knew a way and that was Lunar. I am not saying it is easy it is
not it
is blood sweat and tears Mike but having gone so far   I m not throwing
in
the towel If I had know in the beginning that the first computer  I ever

bought in my life would put me through such an ordeal would I have
chosen
it? No of course not, if I had known what  an ordeal I would go through
I
would have jumped of the Pier in herne Bay, Ok I know you lost  it Mike
I mean your Pier .
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Pannell" <pianoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use
our
computers?


Hello Angel,

The answer to your question is yes! because JAWS is a designated screen
reader it does not relate to what appears on the screen especially when
the
internet is concerned.

So yes, turn off JAWS when it is not required.  Whilst JAWS is reading
the
screen the sighted person will experience the screen jumping all over
the
place.

I hope this answers your question.

With best wishes,

Mike.
----- Original Message ----- From: Angel238 
 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:45 PM
 Subject: [jaws-uk] Should Jaws be turned off when sighted people use
our
computers?


 Just what is the relationship between how jaws reads and what appears
on
the screen.  My children have always turned off Jaws when they used my
computer.  They told me because I listen to Jaws at an extremely fast
pace
they were unable to read what they chose.  They said they could read
better
and scroll better with jaws off.  Is this true?
 "I'll be your friend with pleasure"


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