[jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea

Flor,
Yes I know. in the post you replied to I was just talking about the keys on their own without using insert similar to what we have at present but without a forms mode. I take it you were replying to my previous post where I was talking about the Jaws key being used for quick navigation on web pages. This is probably not such a great idea.

Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:16 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


When I counted, there are 24 letters of the alphabet in use by JAWS for
these functions! They've gone along way down that road.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


Tink,
Thanks for this.  Like I say there are pros and cons to each method.
The
problem with the second one I suggested is that if the user presses the
f
key )not insert f as in the first idea) then when they get to a form
field
all quick nav keys will stop working and any text will be entered in the
form field.  This would probably lead a new user to wonder why the quick
nav
keys have stopped working.  But this might be better in the long run.
If
Mathew is reading this perhaps he could post that second suggestion to
the
Beta list as well?

Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


Nigel,

Mathew Horsepool posted your suggestion through to the Jaws Beta
list.

Someone pointed out that to use key combinations such as Insert f,
to
move between form fields, would override existing key functions, in
this 
case the key combination for querying the style of a font.

   It's good to be thinking about these things though.

Tink.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


I've been thinking about this. This approach does have the
disadvantage
that it works in a different way to what a sighted user is used to
which
may make learning more difficult. Perhaps this is unavoidable,
perhaps 
not.

Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are
with
it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


Forms mode if it is a problem has been foxing Jaws since before the
invention of the quick navigation keys all the way back to version
3.30. 
Typically though my experience is that forms mode is not usually a
problem
for most Jaws users once explained.  In addition with Jaws 5.0 and
above
insert+F5 lists the edit fields of a web page allowing very easy
access 
to
specific edit fields which you can press enter to locate and put you
in
forms mode ready to go, and if you use tab from there you can do the
job 
very satisfactorally.

The only people that really struggle with forms mode sometimes are
people
who act as helpers or sometimes trainers for Jaws who find the web
difficult
with Jaws running.  I find I have to explain to them that what they
see 
on
screen as a flashing cursor in an edit field may not necessarily be
of
relevance and they need to apreciate they are driving a screen
reader. 
In
fact failure to observe this as a trainer would be a real problem
because
understanding of the speech and what that is doing is so crucial to
operating Jaws.

If you think of forms being like somebody with a paper form in their
hand
and once they find the first spot to fill in they pick up a pen,
just so 
on
the web with Jaws you press enter on a a web field to say "now I'm
giong 
to
filll this in".  Once they have it in their hand they can go to the
next 
bit
to complete the rest of the form.

The quick nav keys in my hunble opinion have been one of the most
significant advnaces for screen readers in that it puts advanced
tools 
very
neatly under the fingers that allows the user to navigate the page
structurally rather than top fo bottom which on some pages is both
time
consuming if not a mess. It takes a little practice and skill but
like 
any
useful tool you need to put in a little effort.

Regards.

Tristram Llewellyn
Sight and Sound Technology
Technical Support
www.sightandsound.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Jaws IE idea


Since all the keys used to navigate IE with Jaws are jaws keys I
think 
it
would make sense if the Jaws key had to be held down to use them.
This
would also mean the user does not have to remember if they are in
forms 
mode
or not and can just enter data when they get to a form field.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Nigel

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