[jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea

Tink,
Thanks for this. Like I say there are pros and cons to each method. The problem with the second one I suggested is that if the user presses the f key )not insert f as in the first idea) then when they get to a form field all quick nav keys will stop working and any text will be entered in the form field. This would probably lead a new user to wonder why the quick nav keys have stopped working. But this might be better in the long run. If Mathew is reading this perhaps he could post that second suggestion to the Beta list as well?

Thanks,
Nigel
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


Nigel,

   Mathew Horsepool posted your suggestion through to the Jaws Beta list.

Someone pointed out that to use key combinations such as Insert f, to move between form fields, would override existing key functions, in this case the key combination for querying the style of a font.

   It's good to be thinking about these things though.

Tink.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


I've been thinking about this. This approach does have the disadvantage that it works in a different way to what a sighted user is used to which may make learning more difficult. Perhaps this is unavoidable, perhaps not.

Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


Forms mode if it is a problem has been foxing Jaws since before the
invention of the quick navigation keys all the way back to version 3.30.
Typically though my experience is that forms mode is not usually a problem
for most Jaws users once explained. In addition with Jaws 5.0 and above
insert+F5 lists the edit fields of a web page allowing very easy access to
specific edit fields which you can press enter to locate and put you in
forms mode ready to go, and if you use tab from there you can do the job
very satisfactorally.

The only people that really struggle with forms mode sometimes are people
who act as helpers or sometimes trainers for Jaws who find the web difficult
with Jaws running. I find I have to explain to them that what they see on
screen as a flashing cursor in an edit field may not necessarily be of
relevance and they need to apreciate they are driving a screen reader. In
fact failure to observe this as a trainer would be a real problem because
understanding of the speech and what that is doing is so crucial to
operating Jaws.

If you think of forms being like somebody with a paper form in their hand
and once they find the first spot to fill in they pick up a pen, just so on
the web with Jaws you press enter on a a web field to say "now I'm giong to
filll this in". Once they have it in their hand they can go to the next bit
to complete the rest of the form.

The quick nav keys in my hunble opinion have been one of the most
significant advnaces for screen readers in that it puts advanced tools very
neatly under the fingers that allows the user to navigate the page
structurally rather than top fo bottom which on some pages is both time
consuming if not a mess. It takes a little practice and skill but like any
useful tool you need to put in a little effort.

Regards.

Tristram Llewellyn
Sight and Sound Technology
Technical Support
www.sightandsound.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Jaws IE idea


Since all the keys used to navigate IE with Jaws are jaws keys I think it
would make sense if the Jaws key had to be held down to use them. This
would also mean the user does not have to remember if they are in forms mode
or not and can just enter data when they get to a form field.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Nigel

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