[jaws-uk] Re: FW: Wiltshire Farm Foods website

Hi Wendy,

No, Matthew is not being moderated, and the logs don't show
up any oversize postings or such like.

I have however set a flag which, when he sends a message,
should return a brief acknowledgement that it's been
received.

If it still doesn't appear, I'll have to take it up with
Freelists.

George
(Moderator)

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wendy
Sharpe
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:36 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-uk] FW: Wiltshire Farm Foods website

Friends

Matthew Curry has asked me to forward this message to the
list.  Frankly, it
is all a bit too technical for me, so if any of you
understand more than I
do, perhaps you could get back to him.  Also, has he been
bounced from the
list, as he says his messages aren't getting through?

Wendy

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Curry [mailto:Matthew.Curry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 27 September 2007 08:56
To: w.sharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: FW: Wiltshire Farm Foods website

Hi Wendy, for some reason I can't post to jaws-uk anymore,
I'm not sure if
the list is moderated, but my posts aren't coming up. Can
you relay this
onto the list?

I think that the issue you're having is a configuration
problem within
Internet Explorer - these are notorious difficult to track
down, especially
as people rarely tend to run just Internet Explorer 6 or 7,
but more likely
Internet Explorer with the Google toolbar and office
extensions and
FunWebProducts and whatever extra software detritus Internet
Explorer has
managed to pick up in it's travels. This is why your problem
of the site
slowing down on adding the second item to basket isn't
shared by other JAWS
users. Firefox tends to be a little more robust, and so
trying it is a good
test of where the problem lies.

This is another question of mine, Jaws doesn't seem to
append the User Agent
string in Internet Explorer or Firefox- shouldn't it do, to
help webmasters
identify how many JAWS visitors ( or other screen readers,
for that matter)
it gets?

On another matter, I think we've come to the conclusion that
a separate VI
site isn't the way to go. Headscape have run through the
Wiltshirefarmfoods.com site, seeing where adjustments to
headings etcetera
can be made, I've forwarded on everyone's suggestions to the
chief designer
also. Hopefully by Monday I'll have a list of
recommendations (with some
examples) to run past you.

Thanks
Matthew


E: Matthew.Curry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
T: 01225 756062
apetito Limited
Canal Road
Trowbridge
Wiltshire
BA14 8RJ


For delicious meals to your door, click
WiltshireFarmFoods.com
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[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Rashmi Shah
Sent: 25 September 2007 16:11
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Wiltshire Farm Foods website

Hello List

I agree with what Graham had to say.

Rashmi Shah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Wiltshire Farm Foods website


> maybe it will, but I don't think many people would want to
move away from
> the browser they get as default with their operating
system just to order 
> a
> bit of food.
>
> That being said there are many users who do use firefox
because it tends 
> to
> be less of a target for virus and other malware writers.
and others are
> just pro openSource or would prefer to not use microsoft
where possible.
>
> I think therefore that it is good practice to ensure that
the site works
> with both browsers as these are easily the 2 most commonly
used by 
> everyone.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
>
>
> Graham Page
> Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
> Mobile: 07753 607980
> Fax:  0870 706 2773
> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wendy Sharpe" <w.sharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:14 PM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Wiltshire Farm Foods website
>
>
> Friends
>
> Matthew Curry has asked me off list if I will try using
Firefox, as he
> thinks it might work better with their site.  I don't
really want to get
> into this, as I don't have much time to play around
continually learning 
> new
> programs.  I am not sure why he wants this, as the vast
majority of people
> still use Internet Explorer, but if anyone uses Firefox
and would be 
> willing
> to experiment, please could they let him know.
>
> Wendy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On
> Behalf Of Léonie Watson
> Sent: 24 September 2007 23:07
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Wiltshire Farm Foods website
>
> Graham,
>
> To build on what you say, it should be added that there is
no longer any
> valid technical reason for building an alternative
website. The technology
> now exists to create a visually appealing site, that is
both user friendly
> and accessible.
>
> Regards,
> Léonie.
> -- 
> http://www.tink.co.uk/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On
> Behalf Of Graham Page
> Sent: 24 September 2007 14:31
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Wiltshire Farm Foods website
>
> Hi all.
>
> I have followed this thread with interest and like others
I am pleased 
> that
> Wiltshire Farm Foods are taking the needs of screenreader
users into
> account.  I will be certainly giving the food a go myself.
>
> I know many people have emailed Matthew privately so maybe
the point about
> separate accessible sites has already been well covered.
>
> Tesco is certainly a very well known example of a company
that tried to
> create an accessible site, but it has had and still
continues to have
> signifficant usability issues and I find the main site
perfectly usable
> anyway, even though there are a few problems of usability
namely the
> inability to empty your shopping basket with one button or
link if you
> decide you want to start a new order and remove a
partially completed one.
>
> Overall, separate accessible sites mean more work and and
there is a risk 
> of
>
> the accessible site falling behind the main site when it
comes to new
> features.  Keep in mind also, when evaluating
accessibility with new 
> users,
> that ability to actually use the features provided with
the screenreader 
> can
>
> vary.  Lots of people say they hate tables for example
when sometimes the
> truth is they just don't know how to navigate them with
their 
> screenreader.
>
> I looked around the website with JAWS and System Access
and found things
> quite navigable though I did not try adding anything to my
basket.  I 
> would
> rather see the limited resources that all companies by
definition must 
> have
> used on creating an accessible website to start with than
having resources
> wasted generating too separate websites.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
> Graham Page
> Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
> Mobile: 07753 607980
> Fax:  0870 706 2773
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> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matthew Curry" <Matthew.Curry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:10 AM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Wiltshire Farm Foods website
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> as luck would have it, my remote mail goes down over the
weekend, so I
> couldn't access my work email.
>
> Thank you everyone for you help so far, I've got a fair
few emails to
> work through, but certainly I've had lots of pointers in
the right
> direction. I've got a meeting with our site designers,
Headscape
> www.headscape.co.uk , Monday week to address all the
issues so far, so
> hopefully you'll see some progress.
>
> Regarding the meal labels, as far as I know we've
redesigned them with
> help from the RNIB so that they are easier for large-print
readers and
> character recognition systems to process. I don't think
we've gone down
> the Braille route as well, apologies for this.
>
> I had a mammoth recording session yesterday, so I've got a
fair bit of
> editing of the audio catalogue to get through, but
hopefully you'll be
> hearing my less-than-dulcet tones soon!
>
> Thanks again to everyone
> Matthew
> E: Matthew.Curry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> T: 01225 756062
> apetito Limited
> Canal Road
> Trowbridge
> Wiltshire
> BA14 8RJ
>
>
> For delicious meals to your door, click
> WiltshireFarmFoods.com
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