[jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
- From: "Amie Slavin" <amie.slavin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:28:22 +0100
The major players in this market include an organisation holding charitable
status, and the government, and therefore taxpayers,who fund ATW purchases.
Publicly funded markets can be regulated and managed and often are, and this
being a small one, the presence of the public sector and the third sector in
the equasion means we're not talking about a capitalist freemarket, or at
least we shouldn't be.
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
Sent: 07 September 2011 10:05
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Darren, yes of course we should, however we have to be realistic about
what happens in markets with only one or two players in them. I'm no
economist, but what tends to happen is that the one or two players end
up fixing prices between themselves.
Cheers
Alex
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren H
Sent: 07 September 2011 09:56
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Sorry, that's a bit of a cop out.
Just because we're blind, shouldn't we expect the kind of service from
our access providers that we do eveyrone else?
If Jaws was a mainstream program with a good deal of other providers
available, it would never stand up to scrutiny.
It only survives because it's the best of a fairly poor bunch.
Cheers
Darren
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
Sent: 07 September 2011 09:55
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Darren, it is unfortunate, however, even if there was any useful
competition we'd only end up with a cartel rather than the current
monopoly.
Cheers
Alex
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren H
Sent: 06 September 2011 17:25
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Hi.
It is just unfortunate that jaws hasn't got any competition to speak of.
For all it's faults, it still seems to do a better job than any other
screen reader I've tried.
Which obviously means, they can do what they jolly well please and we'll
just have to go along with it.
Yes, of course businesses are there to make a profit.
But the idea of business is to make a profit with a product that works
correctly and as intended, not half do a job but know that people will
purchase anyway because they have to.
I'm in the fortunate position of being able to comfortably afford the
upgrades, but for those that aren't, it's a real pain in the gonads.
Cheers
Darren
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a
customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a
profit-making business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole
trader I wouldn't dream of using my need for income as an excuse for
monopolising a captive market with a substandard product. Neither would
any of the business people of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to
serve customers; not the other way around.
Bang :o) (for Tom)
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put
yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who
relies on the screenreader sales for income.
Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems
with some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to
do business i.e. aggressive use of law suits.
It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own
screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next
version of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in.
I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that
cost more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they
will be part of the operating system but if programmers and technical
support people have to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader
it is likely to be expensive.
Regards
Graham
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the
whole racket is.
Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with
this very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target
for those intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh
out of the water.
Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter.
Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info.
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut
Hi folks,
I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly
under xp. the tab is silent.
Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a
known issue under xp and vista.
here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws
13.
I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about
those who haven't.
Surely, this is not good enough.
anybody affected should raise this.
tom
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