[jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
- From: "Alex Stone - CW" <Alex.Stone-CW@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:49:31 +0100
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On Behalf Of Barry Toner
Sent: 07 September 2011 10:26
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Folks,
This is sucha huge sweeping statement. JAWS hasn't' any competition?
I'd argue the point that it's more like it's end-users haven't honestly,
given the alternatives a chance. Sit down, learn another Screen Reader,
climb that learning curve. Put the hard work in, instead of going back
to what is easier, only because it's familiar. Of course there's things
JFW does better than other products, but the reverse is very much true.
We could argue back and forward, JFW handles this better than Window
Eyes, where does that get us? Nowhere, still complaining on an email
list.
Regards,
Barry.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:55 AM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Darren, it is unfortunate, however, even if there was any useful
competition we'd only end up with a cartel rather than the current
monopoly.
Cheers
Alex
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Darren H
Sent: 06 September 2011 17:25
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Hi.
It is just unfortunate that jaws hasn't got any competition to speak of.
For all it's faults, it still seems to do a better job than any other
screen
reader I've tried.
Which obviously means, they can do what they jolly well please and we'll
just have to go along with it.
Yes, of course businesses are there to make a profit.
But the idea of business is to make a profit with a product that works
correctly and as intended, not half do a job but know that people will
purchase anyway because they have to.
I'm in the fortunate position of being able to comfortably afford the
upgrades, but for those that aren't, it's a real pain in the gonads.
Cheers
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a
customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a
profit-making
business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole trader I
wouldn't
dream of using my need for income as an excuse for monopolising a
captive
market with a substandard product. Neither would any of the business
people
of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to serve customers; not the
other
way around.
Bang :o) (for Tom)
A
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put
yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who
relies
on the screenreader sales for income.
Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems
with
some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to do
business i.e. aggressive use of law suits.
It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own
screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next
version
of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in.
I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that
cost
more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they will be
part
of the operating system but if programmers and technical support people
have
to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader it is likely to be
expensive.
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the
whole racket is.
Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with
this
very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target for
those
intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh out of the
water.
Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter.
Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info.
A
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut
Hi folks,
I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly
under xp. the tab is silent.
Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a
known
issue under xp and vista.
here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws
13.
I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about
those who haven't.
Surely, this is not good enough.
anybody affected should raise this.
tom
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