I think, Colin, that Adobe uses a specific internal code for it's character set and just converts that to text when you save as text. The need for extras for other languages is probably a matter of including code for accent signs and other character sets in the case of Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese etc. There is also the little matter of directionality in some cases. hth, Phil Medway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Baxter" <C.R.Baxter@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Adobe 7.0 Still Hi Phil, I'll do a double check, though we are supposed to have checked this. Actually we both have administrator rights, so only one version should be present. I'd love to investigate the Italian, but I need to open the damned thing first. Actually, you might be able to tell me why different languages need to be catered for. Does Adobe in effect do an OCR operation on the text or does it unpick some code leading back to ascii characters? I know nothing about it. Cheers Colin -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Phil Medway Sent: 30 August 2005 15:39 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Adobe 7.0 Still Hi Colin and all, There was an update for Adobe acrobat reader recently to install multi-language support. If, indeed, you have version 7, Colin, you can choose update from the help menu to identify any updates available and you may then choose the ones you wish to download and install. I don't know if this is of any use to you but when I click the properties from the context menu of the shortcut for acrobat reader on my desktop, I have the following path for the program: "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\AcroRd32.exe" One possibility for the discrepancy between the behaviour of your and your wife's calls to adobe could be that you are calling different versions of the program. This might happen if you are using personalised settings. As you probably know, there can be users with administrative privileges and limited users. Administrators are able to activate things globally but limited users are restricted in their actions. If you both check the program path in the properties of the desktop shortcut, you should be able to determine whether you are actually using the same one. HTH, Phil Medway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Baxter" <C.R.Baxter@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Adobe 7.0 Still Hi Steve, I think that this may explain what is happening. I keep testing my latest install on the same two files whereas my wife is opening a variety of things she comes across on the web. I've still got to crack my problem, however, as the files I can't open belong to an Italian course I shall be recommencing in a few weeks' time. Keep thinking guys. Colin -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven Bingham Sent: 30 August 2005 08:20 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Adobe 7.0 Still Even with the accessible version of Adobe 7 some files refuse to open. If a file is structured properly then there is no problem. With some less well constructed files Adobe uses a set of rules to 'improve' the readability of the files. And in some other cases it just does not open the file at all. I have found this to be the case with the Loch Fine restaurant menu and various Honda brochures. Even when my wife is using the computer with JAWS switched off they do not open. So it would appear to be a problem with the accessible version of Adobe and some files. Unfortunately no error message is given and, in the two cases I mention my initial thought was that it might be an HTML problem. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chipmunks" <chipmunks@xxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Adobe 7.0 Still > Make sure you get the accessible version of adobe reader. There is a > direct download link to the program on the jflwite homepage in its > programs section. > > Doris > > At 09:34 PM 8/29/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >>Hi folks, >>I've still not managed to solve my problem with Adobe 7.0, XP Home and >>Jaws >>6.2. After cleaning everything out and downloading full versions from a >>variety of sites, I find that I can neither open .PDF files nor the Adobe >>program itself. If you approach the problem via the .PDF file's context >>menu, the system suggests Adobe 7.0 as the program to open it with, but >>when >>you hit enter, the only thing that happens is that the menu closes. Most >>of >>the time, my wife, who has her own settings, can't open Adobe either. On >>the odd occasion when she has managed to open it, she's tried to launch >>Jaws, but been told that the program doesn't support screenreaders. 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