Regardless of the source, hardware-based virtualization outperforms software-based virtualization hands down. In the grand scheme of things, this point will be second only to the "religion" motivating customers toward one virtualization technology or another. SCVMM is intended to be the management tool of choice; that's why they're building it. RC1 should hit the streets soon; it'll be well worth the time to grab & install it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Mulholland Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:53 PM To: ISAPros Mailing List Subject: [isapros] Re: Hyper-V is so damn kewl... I was most unimpressed by the hyperv management console. The system center/virtual machine manager was the only way I would ever use it, but you need to be using multiple servers to warrant that, but given that the vmm was built on powershell it would be a good thing to drive from the cli if you are so inclined. That and running (read) managing HV on SC was near impossible unless you had rsat or another hyperv machine you could connect to the console (which wasn't available at the time). You were supposed to be able to use wmi to drive it but I was told that MS hadn't finished the docco on that. It might be great when they finish it. Vmware beta2 has some nice things about it and you can use the ESX client to manage it. Having used ESX and Virtual Iron in production I would say they have a way to go but I'm keen to setup an environment at work. We have 60 or so standalone vm boxes that dev and qa use and we are looking at using something to consolidate them, hyperv seems like it will fit the bill there. Greg -----Original Message----- From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 5:24 AM To: ISAPros Mailing List Subject: [isapros] Hyper-V is so damn kewl... Got my ISA 2006 server running on Hyper-V now. I'll soon migrate to TMG (probably not today; gardening awaits).