[isapros] Re: Hyper-V is so damn kewl...

Hyper-V is part of the OS; doesn't run without it.
The distinction is not "OS vs. OS-less" but the actual virtualization 
technology used by the solution.
The distinctions run far deeper than I'm qualified to discuss (much less 
explain).

I don't think the pricing is public, yet...

From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:11 AM
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Subject: [isapros] Re: Hyper-V is so damn kewl...

Time to update. Hyper-V is now it's own thing and loads right onto the 
hardware. No OS underneath. And cheap too. Is price off NDA yet, Jim?

thanks,

Amy Babinchak


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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Young
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:22 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Hyper-V is so damn kewl...

I thought Hyper-V was part of Server 2008.  I know ESX runs on top of Linux.

Perhaps my definition of "hardware-based virtualization" is different.  The 
Unisys ES7000 is one platform which I consider "hardware-based virtualization". 
 The Egenera BladeFrames and Blades are another.  The prior uses Server 
Sentinal (IIRC) to manage the hardware, and the latter PAN Manager and vBlade 
Software.  Once the virtual hardware boxes are configured, though, my 
understanding is that the passing of architecture is more like that which you 
get from a BIOS rather than software that sits on a OS stack to which API calls 
are made - if that makes any sense; there's no 'host' OS in the equation.

I had thought Hyper-V was hosted on Server 2008 and I know ESX is hosted on 
Linux.  I guess, I've never considered any kind of 'OS host'-based 
virtualization as 'hardware-based' virtualization.
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jim Harrison 
<Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hyper-V is hardware-based (e.g., uses the hardware virtualization).
As of SP1, Virtual Server R2 adds "hardware-assisted" virtualization.
AFAIK, the only VMWare product that dies this is ESX...

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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Young
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:36 AM
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Subject: [isapros] Re: Hyper-V is so damn kewl...

Which are you implying is hardware-based virtualization?  Or were you just 
"saying"? :)

Egenera looks pretty good for hardware-based virtualization, though.  The 
client I'm working at currently will probably be setting up a couple of chassis 
sometime in the near future.  Should be interesting.
--
Cordially yours,
Jerry G. Young II

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim Harrison 
<Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



       Regardless of the source, hardware-based virtualization outperforms 
software-based virtualization hands down.  In the grand scheme of things, this 
point will be second only to the "religion" motivating customers toward one 
virtualization technology or another.

       SCVMM is intended to be the management tool of choice; that's why 
they're building it.
       RC1 should hit the streets soon; it'll be well worth the time to grab & 
install it.

       Jim


       -----Original Message-----
       From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Greg Mulholland
       Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:53 PM

       To: ISAPros Mailing List
       Subject: [isapros] Re: Hyper-V is so damn kewl...

       I was most unimpressed by the hyperv management console. The system 
center/virtual machine manager was the only way I would ever use it, but you 
need to be using multiple servers to warrant that, but given that the vmm was 
built on powershell it would be a good thing to drive from the cli if you are 
so inclined. That and running (read) managing HV on SC was near impossible 
unless you had rsat or another hyperv machine you could connect to the console 
(which wasn't available at the time). You were supposed to be able to use wmi 
to drive it but I was told that MS hadn't finished the docco on that. It might 
be great when they finish it.

       Vmware beta2 has some nice things about it and you can use the ESX 
client to manage it. Having used ESX and Virtual Iron in production I would say 
they have a way to go but I'm keen to setup an environment at work. We have 60 
or so standalone vm boxes that dev and qa use and we are looking at using 
something to consolidate them, hyperv seems like it will fit the bill there.

       Greg

       -----Original Message-----
       From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
       Sent: Sunday, 11 May 2008 5:24 AM
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       Subject: [isapros] Hyper-V is so damn kewl...

       Got my ISA 2006 server running on Hyper-V now.
       I'll soon migrate to TMG (probably not today; gardening awaits).










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Cordially yours,
Jerry G. Young II
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer

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