[isapros] Re: FW: TMG Unsupported
- From: Jason Jones <Jason.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: isapros <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:37:33 +0000
You mean your home network isn't native IPv6?? Shame on you! :)
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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: 23 December 2009 20:42
To: isapros
Subject: [isapros] Re: FW: TMG Unsupported
One very very important thing to consider is that unless you have a native IPv6
network and network applications, you're going to need DNS64 and NAT64. You can
buy 3rd party products at extra cost, or take advantage of UAG's built in
translation technologies. Then after your network and all network applications
are native IPv6, you don't have to worry about it (that should be in about 20
years) :)
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Behalf Of Richard Hicks
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:03 PM
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Subject: [isapros] Re: FW: TMG Unsupported
"Why separate the functionality of managing remote and protected access into
two separate products? I mean, we already have the complete TMG product
installed on UAG, right...? (o.O)"
The thing to remember here is that UAG is being positioned as the "premium"
remote access solution. Obviously TMG still includes remote access
capabilities, but it lacks the enhanced features that UAG provides, such as SSL
VPN, portal publication, etc.
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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jerry Young
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:42 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: FW: TMG Unsupported
Jason,
You can install TMG on a DA server but the assumption is that the DA server is
straddling your edge. For specifics, see the following link.
http://blogs.technet.com/isablog/archive/2009/09/23/forefront-tmg-and-windows-7-directaccess.aspx
I don't think, however, that you'll be able to put TMG in front of UAG. Keep
in mind that UAG installs a gimped, full version of TMG, and UAG is used for
providing a highly available DA edge (as I understand it so far) and
centralized management.
The following links have information regarding UAG/DA.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772157.aspx#BKMK_DA
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee522953.aspx
The following is a thread I started on the IAG/UAG forum regarding this.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/forefrontedgeiag/thread/b8d0e1fe-9ab6-4b88-a2cc-4ad016c45196
While Ben Ari responded to my post, he never addressed a core, unspoken
question I presented (among others): Why separate the functionality of managing
remote and protected access into two separate products? I mean, we already
have the complete TMG product installed on UAG, right...? (o.O)
I had been hoping the posting would have generated more discussion but it
doesn't look as if that's going to happen, which is a shame.
Jerry
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jason Jones
<Jason.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jason.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hey Jim,
The "not so nice":
HTTPS Inspection limitations
Issue: There are a number of limitations you should be aware of when enabling
the HTTPS Inspection feature on Forefront TMG.
Cause: The following features are not supported:
* Extended Validation (EV) SSL certificates.
EV certs are getting quite popular now, so I see the exclusion list having to
grow quite quickly and an unpleasant admin overhead :(
Forefront TMG does not support IPv6 traffic
Issue: IPv6 traffic is not supported by Forefront TMG (except for DirectAccess).
Cause: Filtering of IPv6 traffic is not supported, and all IPv6 traffic is
blocked by default.
Solution: It is recommended that you disable IPv6 traffic on the Forefront TMG
computer or array members. To disable the IPv6 stack on the Forefront TMG
computer or array member, see Knowledge Base article
KB929852<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=179983>
(http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=179983).
This is a real shame as a lot of "hardware vendors" now provide this out of the
box; this could make it hard to introduce TMG as a 'proper firewall' if
customers are seriously looking at deploying IPv6 :(
Can you expand on the "except for DirectAccess"? E.g. could TMG be a dedicated
edge firewall in front of UAG running DA? Or is it only when DA is installed on
the TMG host itself?
A lot of other statements fall into "same as ISA" or "glad to see them listed"
:)
One that I think should be included (that isn't) is a statement about the lack
of support for stateful session failover when using NLB/HLB, as I believe TMG
EE still cannot do this. A lot of people seem to assume it does, especially
when comparing to 'da competition'.
Cheers
JJ
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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: 23 December 2009 15:19
To: isapros
Subject: [isapros] Re: TMG Unsupported
As in...?
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[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
Behalf Of Jason Jones
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:15 AM
To: isapros
Subject: [isapros] FW: TMG Unsupported
Cool, nice to see some in there and not so nice to see others I hoped would be
supported...handy doc though :)
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[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: 23 December 2009 14:30
To: isapros
Subject: [isapros] TMG Unsupported
We just published the "unsupported stuff" for TMG on TechNet.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee796231.aspx is your link of
reference.
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Cordially yours,
Jerry G. Young II
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
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