RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
- From: Troy Radtke <TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'[ISAserver.org Discussion List]'" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:48:16 -0500
Well, I'm glad you're older than I am and all, but the basics are the basics
are the basics. All I'm saying is that how can you expect to implement our
replies if your lacking some of the basic tools required to understand the
software.
No personal attack on you or anything, but I deal with people all day long
that think they know more because they are older than me. Yesterday in a 5
hour window I redesigned the entire production network for one of our larger
customers. 14 different configurations that all worked, but were
unacceptable after I mentioned that I hadn't had to tax my brain like this
in 8 years since I graduated from high school. (yeah, and they all came up
with exactly zero...)
Read the books, take the classes, but make sure you understand BEFORE
implementing any kind of solution. Asking what happens after the fact is a
bad way to learn. Yeah, it's a really bad way to learn.
Repeat after me: Test environments are your friend.... Test environments are
your friend.... And don't pick the IP address of the internal mail server
for your test system....
-----Original Message-----
From: Ara Avvali [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:26 AM
To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
http://www.ISAserver.org
Hey. I do understand the difference between who has the paper and who has
the knowledge. If I was as rude as you are because I think I know, then I
would never come here and ask for help from someone that I believe knows
more than I do. If you have problem with other people better fix with them
not with me.
That reminds me of MR. George that got his ass nailed by Osama, but because
he couldn't fight back, then he went to some other place to cover his
respect and found some one else to blame everything on him.
I am only 26 and I do have respect for people older than me (I assume you
are) but I don't think a guy who is claming that he is smart will come up
with such a theory
-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: October 7, 2004 2:48 AM
To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
http://www.ISAserver.org
You really do not have a clue of what the others were trying to tell you, do
you?
Sounds like the "Certified Network Expert" that a client called in to
provide internet access to all computers when then switched from dialup
(through Small Business Server 4.0) to a satellite connection.
You going to love this.
He pulled a new drop for each computer, installed a 2nd NIC in each
computer, and routed those to a hub connected to the Satellite router.
All because my recommended method of upgrading the server from Back Office
4.0 to Small Business Server 2000 including new hardware.
John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ara Avvali [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:54 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> And may I suggest you not to waste my time anymore?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: October 6, 2004 12:34 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> You completely miss the point.....
>
> If you've taken the Microsoft Class and you've passed the Microsoft
> certification test for ISA, you should know what happens when you turn off
> the firewall service..... If you don't, then there is something EXTREMELY
> WRONG with you having a CERTIFICATION that says you understand how to
> install a product, configure a product, and support a product.
>
> My problem is with people with "certifications" that have no idea with
what
> they are doing. People like you.
>
> May I suggest going back to your place that you took the class and getting
> your money back. Apparently you do not understand most of the basic
> functions of the software. Then go back to the testing center, slap the
> person behind the desk, and tell them to tell Microsoft that you passed
the
> test without understanding anything at all, either that, or you cheated.
> Not saying that you did, but those are the only 2 reasonable answers that
> exist.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ara Avvali [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:04 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Your problems with other parties are not my concern and I don't need you
to
> give me a job.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: October 6, 2004 9:46 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> You've taken the course AND passed the cert? Oh hell, that makes you more
> qualified to answer questions than me then, ya know, since I haven't sat
the
> test yet.....
>
> And all the MCSE's wonder why we don't hire them.....
>
> I'm a little bitter today. I spent 4 hours on the phone yesterday with a
> 3rd party support FE who is an NT 4.0 MCSE who has NEVER IN HIS LIFE
> INSTALLED NT 4.0!!!! And to make it worse, he pulled out ANOTHER NIC from
> the system without uninstalling it first.... Bah.... Time to get some
> coffee.....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ara Avvali [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:52 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Yes I always say I am newbie because there is always room to learn. But
that
> also doesn't mean you become rude and think you know better than others. I
> have done the ISA course and have my cert too. It's a while I am using it
my
> friend. I believe every question if worth to ask as might bring up some
new
> points. So if it bothers you dealing with this, please don't reply.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Moffat [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: October 6, 2004 8:42 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: what happens if firewall service stop?
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Obviously you have no idea how ISA works. I would suggest starting at
> the very beginning and read all you can about it before you start
> playing with it. Isaserver.org is the best place to start.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ara Avvali [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:33 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] what happens if firewall service stop?
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Hello
> I am concerned if something goes wrong and I don't get access to
> machine. As an example if firewalls service goes done for any reason,
> what will happen to connection? Is it going to cut all connections or it
> becomes an unprotected connection?
> When you install ISA it automatically disabled windows built in firewall
> I have. So in that case if something goes wrong then the internet faced
> network card becomes unprotected, right?
>
>
>
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