RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:50:44 -0600
:)
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:22 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Oh great - from brain-doctor to Compu-security geek to Harry Potter
> character...
> :-p
> --------------------------------------------
> Jim Harrison
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:27 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I knew that this was the problem from long experience with people not
> being able accurately describe what their problem it :)) Its almost
> like divination.
>
> Tom
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:35 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Interesting, since this disagreed with your description of
> > the problem.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:18 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > it's working now.
> >
> > the answer is in this KB Article 885683
> >
> > Thanks all for trying to help me.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:18 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > That's the category all right, although I don't' have any experience
> > with it causing such behavior.
> > Try to disable the filter and retry your tests.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Jim Harrison
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:09 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Will this 3rd-party be GFI Web Monitor?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:58 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > There are several circumstances where the user *will* see
> this prompt:
> > - The user can't type
> > - ISA can't resolve the user's credentials (typed or interactive)
> > - The selected ISA auth methods aren't known to the client app
> > - ISA has a 3rd-party filter installed that's mucking the
> > whole process
> >
> > Since:
> > - ISA is a member server in the root domain
> > - auth failures are occurring in the child domain accounts
> > - by extension, auth failures are *not* occurring for root domain
> > accounts?
> >
> > ..it's time to start looking into your domain structure for errors.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Jim Harrison
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:40 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > which sounds right, and if asked it should use the
> credentials used to
> > logon
> > to the computer/domain, and the user shouldn't see this prompt.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:36 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > You will *never* completely rid yourself of "anonymous" log
> > entries and
> > you'll only drive yourself to bad girls (like Susan) if you try.
> >
> > *All* browsers and many other applications make their requests as
> > anonymous first and only provide authentication if they're asked.
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:34 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > did that, and started to prompt again.
> >
> > I don't know what else will I do to fix this problem, but I
> > am going to
> > work
> > with MS Support later and hopefully they will figure out
> what's going
> > on.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:26 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Yes- require authentication, and have the rule based on a group with
> > defined
> > users ;)
> >
> > t
> >
> > -----
> > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > John T
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MJ" <mjtech@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:10 PM
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: [islets] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> >
> >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > that's how I exactly did few minutes ago, but I am still seeing
> > > "unauthenticated users"
> > >
> > > do you I need to enable the "Require All Users to
> > Authenticate" again.
> > > Just
> > > asking :)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:06 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Create a "local" ISA group, and add the domain's "Domain
> > Users" group
> > to
> > > it.
> > > Then remove "All Users" from the rule and add only the
> new group you
> > > specified.
> > >
> > > Give that a shot and let us know...
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > > -----
> > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > John T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MJ" <mjtech@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:46 PM
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >
> > >
> > >> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>
> > >> then what group should I selcet?
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Steve Moffat [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:34 PM
> > >> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>
> > >> Exactly.............All Users is the anonymous group
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:25 PM
> > >> To: ISA Mailing List
> > >> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>
> > >> I do have all users selected
> > >>
> > >> do you I need to select specific groups or what?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:21 PM
> > >> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>
> > >> MJ- is your outbound access rule set to "All Users" or do
> > you have it
> > >> set to a group containing your domain users?
> > >>
> > >> I too require user-based logs, and have "require authentication"
> > checked
> > >> (integrated only selected) and have set the "Users" to a group I
> > created
> > >> that contains "Domain Users" as the only group that has access.
> > While
> > >> this creates several "denied" entries for "anonymous," all
> > users are
> > >> logged appropriately, and have seamless access.
> > >>
> > >> When you/PSS get it sorted out, please do tell us what
> the problem
> > >> was...
> > >> You've got something strange going on...
> > >>
> > >> t
> > >>
> > >> -----
> > >> "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > >> John T
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "MJ" <mjtech@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:08 PM
> > >> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>
> > >>> sounds good.
> > >>>
> > >>> then please tell me how to fix it, if you say that I
> > don't need then
> > I
> > >>
> > >>> promise you I will turn off that option.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:04 PM
> > >>> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>
> > >>> Yep, but there's a secret registry entry that will fix it ;-)
> > >>>
> > >>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > >>> Site: www.isaserver.org
> > >>> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > >>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > >>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > >>> **Who is John Galt?**
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:48 PM
> > >>>> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As I think about it more, I do remember putting a check
> > mark in the
> > >>>> "Require all users to authenticate" once. Shortly afterwards,
> > after
> > >>>> a hundred phone calls about people getting login
> > prompts, I had to
> > >>>> turn it back off.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:34 PM
> > >>>> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Okay, NOW I remember that option...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:59 PM
> > >>>> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In 2004, you can still configure the the authentication
> > method for
> > >>>> the web proxy listener. Go to the properties for the network,
> > select
> > >>
> > >>>> Web Proxy, and then click the "Authentication" button.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This allows you to choose the auth methods supported for your
> > >> clients.
> > >>>> This
> > >>>> is where the OP had to select "require all users to
> > authenticate."
> > >>>> Just
> > >>>>
> > >>>> making sure someone didn't put him in "basic auth" land...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> t
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----
> > >>>> "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > >>>> John T
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Ball, Dan" <DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:32 PM
> > >>>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's ISA2004, not 2000, it uses regular groups. Unless
> > there is a
> > >>>> setting with that name that completely escapes my memory.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:08 PM
> > >>>> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The authentication method wasn't changed to "basic" by
> > chance, was
> > >> it?
> > >>>> Still at "Integrated Authentication?"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> t
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----
> > >>>> "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > >>>> John T
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "MJ" <mjtech@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:31 PM
> > >>>> Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I rebooted and didn't fix it.
> > >>>> > I believe that something was change by some body else while
> > >>>> > troubleshooting another problem about not being able
> > to hit some
> > >>>> > web sites.
> > >>>> > Thanks
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> > From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:21 PM
> > >>>> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Had that happen a couple of times, a reboot usually
> cleared it.
> > >>>> > Anything changed?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> > From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:14 PM
> > >>>> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > ISA is a member server of the root domain,and all
> users are in
> > the
> > >>>> child
> > >>>> > domain.
> > >>>> > the funny thing is that this been working for about 2
> > months with
> > >>>> > no problems.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> > From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:59 PM
> > >>>> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > There can be a lot of different reasons for it, but it
> > "shouldn't"
> > >>>> > happen. Is your ISA server a member of said domain?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> > From: MJ [mailto:mjtech@xxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:16 PM
> > >>>> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > >>>> > Subject: [isalist] ISA 2004 authentication issue
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > ISA Server 2004, with "Windows Authentication" and "Require
> > >>>> All Users
> > >>>> To
> > >>>> > Authenticate"
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Now with this ISA shouldn't prompt domain users for a
> > user and a
> > >>>> > password.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > The one I have still prompting. Is there a reason for this?
> > >>>> How can I
> > >>>> > fix
> > >>>> > it?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Thanks
> > >>>> >
> >
> >
> > All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.
> >
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