RE: feature request
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:35:48 -0600
Hi Amy,
I agree with you here. When you buy a product, you expect it to be fully
baked and ready to do what it should be doing out of the box. That's the
mark of a professional product. If you want to be a hobbiest, then use
Linux and spend your time doing things that someone should have done for
you had you paid for it.
That said, Microsoft depends on a robust ecosystem of partners, and they
do leave a lot of stuff out of the shipping product to support this
ecosystem and provide a profit incentive for them.
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:28 PM
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I was just using Jim's name in vane because I'm in a bad mood. I'm
agreeing with you, Greg. A feature request shouldn't be thrown out just
because "real" firewall admins might sneer at it. They might be the
majority here but they're the minority of the IT world as a whole.
Amy
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:19 PM
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True, but I don't think it's Jim's responsibility to provide this! :) My
point is if he can do it or someone else can do it, and it's a common
task, surely it should be "looked at" as an upgrade feaure for the next
version.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:11 AM
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Or busy admins with a multitude of responsibilities in addition to ISA.
Busy is the norm for small and mid-size businesses. And gone are the
days in many big businesses where you had a firewall guy, an exchange
guy, yada, yada...everyone has to multi-task these days and that means
making the most out of the tools at hand. And if Jim would develop some
easy to use sql templates for the busy admin (or buttons or wizards or
scripts or what ever word offends you the least) then you'll find that
busy admins of all stripes will use them. And that will set ISA apart
from the crowd.
Remember when NT server didn't get taken seriously because it had a GUI?
Same deal here for wizards and templates.
Amy
Harbor Computer Services
Small Business Computer Specialists
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:47 PM
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Now you sound like the unmentionable crowd.
Enterprise level applications rarely give you what you want before you
know to ask for it...
In general, Enterprise-level admins know what they want and need from an
application before they buy it.
It's the hobbyist or "push-button" admins that end up needing
hand-holding weirdzards.
..but that's just my opinion...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:49 PM
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Sorry Jim you are right. I kind forgot about the export import stuff :)
my bad
but as far as the sql stuff I know plenty of TransactSQL, more than
enough to do what I want (And that is exactly what I did), but a) I want
the query in real time, not having to rerun it manually - and b) I want
the application to give me the tools I need to manage it. I don't think
its an appropriate position for an enterprise level product that you
should have to write your own SQL queries to do something very simple
which they almost got right, but not quite.. (And your stuffed if you
are writing to a flat file.)
Greg Mulholland
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From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 10/02/2006 12:30 PM
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Hey, ya bonehead - you were doing great until the "save queries"
statement.
When was the last time you actually looked at the UI?
"Save query" is part of the current feature set...
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Jim Harrison
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 17:08
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Thanks bonehead :p
Actually while im on it. I'd like to be able to configure monitoring to
say show me all records that are either from OR to a particular IP at
the same time. You cant do it. I can say show me all records from a
particular IP on its own. Or all records to a particular IP on its own.
But not together!
Also i'd love to be able to "save" predefined queries!!!
Greg Mulholland
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From: Steve Moffat [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 10/02/2006 11:27 AM
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Good request batboy......
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From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:08 PM
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Jim or Tom or anyone
Is there any possibility of putting in a feature request for new
versions. Or at least Jim if you have any feedback.
1. The ability to create rule groups. For instance, if I want to get a
window into the overall structure of the rulebase I would like to be
able to have a group for my dmz rules a group for my internal rules. But
more than that, if I have a rulebase of 300+ rules (which wouldn't be
that uncommon in larger businesses) I would like to be able to group
them into some logical structure for different internal lans, vpn rules,
dmz rules, custom defined groups ie test lab etc etc
2. The ability to select an object, ie my computer or the mailserver and
show all rules pertaining to that object. This would be kind of handy
for cleaning up things. I could select a machine and see what rules are
configured for it. This would give you an extra step of troubleshooting.
Say if you are trying to publish a box and it aint working, you could
select the object and see if the necessary rules has been created.
Rather than scrolling a list of 300+ rules to find "the one".
Thanks
Greg Mulholland
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