Plus John outlined the age old problem, shelling out money for something that doesnt directly add to the profit of the business. The other one is, little Greggy hasn't been seen in a week, he must not be doing anything. No one thinks it was working until it breaks!! P.s I was probably playing doom or something Greg Mulholland Krystaltek Solutions greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.krystaltek.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:41 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? http://www.ISAserver.org Hi John, Good points. Its sort of like health insurance. A lot of small biz owners don't have it. They feel OK today. Its only after the 6 months of chemo and doing the rounds in District Court for the chapter 7 do they realize maybe the results would have been different had they spent their money differently. Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder Get the book! Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:26 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? http://www.ISAserver.org No, not really. This particular client has been in business for 20 years. That is part of the problem. He is always saying well it use to work fine all those years. I have a tendency to attribute small business failures to the owners overall attitude, work ethics and dedication to the business. To justify spending money on IT when IT does not directly add to the bottom line is where most small businesses are. Unless and until an incident happens to clearly show that IT could have prevented that, they do not completely understand the concept. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:02 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Hi John, > > You think this attitude in part drives the statistics on the rate of > failure for small businesses? > > Tom > www.isaserver.org/shinder > Get the book! > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004 > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:59 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Joe calls you because he's tired of these slow computers and wants a > > couple of new ones. Also, his nephew came in and installed Office 2003 > > on some of the machines but now their Access database doesn't work so > > when you fix that he wants you to put that new office on all the > > computers. His nephew has the CD for it. (burned copy from school) > They > > tried to get the DSL to work on all the computers but SBC Yahoo DSL > says > > that it can only work on one computer at a time, but they know that > > other bigger businesses have DSL that works on all computers so they > > know that DSL support is lying about that; they want Internet on all > the > > computers. They think they have a virus again because the computer > that > > runs Quickbooks keeps hanging and they have to reboot it 3 times a > day. > > Over the winter they went to a landscape show and got a domain name of > > joeslandscape.com so they want to start using email. He heard that you > > can work from home using XP, so that's what the new XP machine is for, > > so set it up for me. We'll probably want to have more people work from > > home once we get this one working. I know my wife wants to use > > Quickbooks at home and my brother's wife will want to check her email > > from home. I bought some palm pilots off eBay for the crew leaders > that > > I want to all use the same address book. Send me a quote. > > > > This is your starting point with Joe. How long will it take you to get > > him to buy two servers? > > > > Amy > > Hey Amy, change the landscaping stuff to printing and you almost > describe my > printing client to the T. After 4 years, He now has a Windows 2000 > server, 4 > XP Pro computers, 1 Windows 2000 Pro computers, 8 Windows 98 comptuers, > and > yes, the son in college still comes every Saturday and has tried to load > Office XP on other computers. > > Oh, they are only using a Linksys router for Internet access, no > firewall at > all. 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