RE: What's wrong with this page?
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:05:31 -0500
Hi Tim,
Excellent!
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thor [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:03 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page?
http://www.ISAserver.org
I tend to take a hard line with my clients... I just tell them that
there is
a right way and a wrong way to do things, and that if they want to do it
the
wrong way, then I tell them to get someone else to do it. I used to
try
the "I can't be responsible for what happens" line, but if they are my
client, I am responsible. It is easier to walk than to have to deal
with
other people's screw ups.
Also, even when they cry poor mouth loudly, taking them for a ride and
showing them that I can access all their accounting data (indeed, *all*
other data, too) from my truck while parked behind a coffee shop tends
to
open up their eyes a bit. Normally, they say- "The guy who set this up
was
really good, and he said it was all perfectly secure." And I say, "Not
withstanding the expertise of the technician or the presumed security
posture of your network, I *am* sitting in a shell on your server as
admin.
See that? That's your payroll data."
That always helps :)
T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nuernberger" <pen@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page?
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Yup, yup, .... And yup again.
>
> John and Amy have described most of the SMB clients I have ever worked
with,
> especially the son/nephew/cousin installing bogus/hacked software (I
have
> even had clients who have had "customers" working on their systems).
>
> Heck, right now I have an SMB client that has a Win2k server (with a
failing
> hard drive) behind a generic linux firewall/web/email server, and they
are
> finding it hard to justify the purchase of a new server. Oddly enough
their
> largest stated need is secure remote access (desperate for it
actually).
>
> When it comes to small businesses, dollars drive the deal. Period.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:26 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page?
>
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>
> No, not really. This particular client has been in business for 20
years.
> That is part of the problem. He is always saying well it use to work
fine
> all those years. I have a tendency to attribute small business
failures to
> the owners overall attitude, work ethics and dedication to the
business.
To
> justify spending money on IT when IT does not directly add to the
bottom
> line is where most small businesses are. Unless and until an incident
> happens to clearly show that IT could have prevented that, they do not
> completely understand the concept.
>
> John Tolmachoff
> Engineer/Consultant/Owner
> eServices For You
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:02 AM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page?
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > You think this attitude in part drives the statistics on the rate of
> > failure for small businesses?
> >
> > Tom
> > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > Get the book!
> > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:59 AM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page?
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > > Joe calls you because he's tired of these slow computers and wants
a
> > > couple of new ones. Also, his nephew came in and installed Office
> > > 2003 on some of the machines but now their Access database doesn't
> > > work so when you fix that he wants you to put that new office on
all
> > > the computers. His nephew has the CD for it. (burned copy from
> > > school)
> > They
> > > tried to get the DSL to work on all the computers but SBC Yahoo
DSL
> > says
> > > that it can only work on one computer at a time, but they know
that
> > > other bigger businesses have DSL that works on all computers so
they
> > > know that DSL support is lying about that; they want Internet on
all
> > the
> > > computers. They think they have a virus again because the computer
> > that
> > > runs Quickbooks keeps hanging and they have to reboot it 3 times a
> > day.
> > > Over the winter they went to a landscape show and got a domain
name
> > > of joeslandscape.com so they want to start using email. He heard
> > > that you can work from home using XP, so that's what the new XP
> > > machine is for, so set it up for me. We'll probably want to have
> > > more people work from home once we get this one working. I know my
> > > wife wants to use Quickbooks at home and my brother's wife will
want
> > > to check her email from home. I bought some palm pilots off eBay
for
> > > the crew leaders
> > that
> > > I want to all use the same address book. Send me a quote.
> > >
> > > This is your starting point with Joe. How long will it take you to
> > > get him to buy two servers?
> > >
> > > Amy
> >
> > Hey Amy, change the landscaping stuff to printing and you almost
> > describe my printing client to the T. After 4 years, He now has a
> > Windows 2000 server, 4 XP Pro computers, 1 Windows 2000 Pro
computers,
> > 8 Windows 98 comptuers, and yes, the son in college still comes
every
> > Saturday and has tried to load Office XP on other computers.
> >
> > Oh, they are only using a Linksys router for Internet access, no
> > firewall at all. I can't even convince him to spend $500 on a
> > Sonicwall let alone ISA.
> >
> > Oh, and the owner complains to high heaven when it is time to renew
> > SAV yearly.
> >
> > John Tolmachoff
> > Engineer/Consultant/Owner
> > eServices For You
> >
> >
> >
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