http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- While it's true that the burden of communication rests primarily with the speaker, some of the responsibility rests with the listener (reader) to actually absorb the content. If you're only looking for keywords and -phrases, you'll find what you seek. In fact, this is stated on the SVVP page; which coincidentally, is the reference point for the SVVP program. This is why only Hyper-V is listed in this KB. The last thing we need is multiple places to clean up when (not if) the support statement changes for the various 3rd-party virtualization offerings. SVVP is the primary place to go and this is why it's "linked to" from that KB. -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:35 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Virtualising ISA Jim, "Right now, there are *_NO_* validated non-MS platforms." This is what needs to be clearly stated. Again, depending on how you read it, a user may not get this. My point is really simply that; when specifically put forth in the same way you just put it, there's no room for argument. My guess is a lot of users out there will read into this the same way I did (optimistically), or worse yet, move forward thinking that support will come, only to run into an issue with said support when a problem occurs that requires it. At the end of the day, fair or not, Microsoft gets the black eye. By making it clear (without having to dig through links and guess at implied statements) upfront, I think greater value and service to the customers is provided. On 8/26/08, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- It's only misleading if you read into it. Let's take each bullet in turn: * Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V * Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2008 [Jim] - ok; we'll take two at a time. Hyper-V Server and Windows 2008 with Hyper-V are the same thing from the guest OS perspective and ISA is supported there. * Supported partners' virtualization software For more information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 944987 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944987/) Support partners for non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software [Jim] This article doesn't list supported virtualization products. It lists virtualization support partners. Novel has signed on to help provide support for non-MS virtualization; nothing more. The bullet title in this article is misleading, but the article linked to is not. * Server Virtualization Validation Program (SVVP) For more information, visit the following Microsoft Web site: http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/ (http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/) [Jim] - go read this link. Right now, there are *_NO_* validated non-MS platforms. Therefore, there are no supported 3rd-party hardware virtualization products (yet). Therefore, no Microsoft products are supported on 3rd-party virtualization. The vendors listed on that site are "participating"; their products *_have not_* completed testing. Jim -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:02 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Virtualising ISA Jim, Then the KB Article 957006 is extremely misleading. :( Here's an excerpt (in full) taken from the Introduction section. This article discusses the support policy for running Microsoft server software in the following supported virtualization environments: * Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V * Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2008 * Supported partners' virtualization software For more information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 944987 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944987/) Support partners for non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software * Server Virtualization Validation Program (SVVP) For more information, visit the following Microsoft Web site: http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/ (http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/) In my interpreted version of this statement into layman terms, I read it as saying all of the bulleted environments are supported; specifically, any environment that is part of the Server Virtualization Validation Program. If you visit that page, VMWare, Inc. is listed as a participating vendor. If you then visit the Support link from that page, the first sentence states, "Technical support will be available for customers running a Windows Server operating system on a validated third-party hypervisor." Since ESX Server is a hypervisor and participation implies (at this time, based on language) validation, the support statement does appear to be transitive. I could not find anything specifically stating that the applications identified in the KB Article are only currently being supported in Hyper-V virtualized environments. If Microsoft is going to withhold support of the applications identified in the KB Article on other vendor's virtualization environments, then some kind of language should be used indicating that such support is pending [insert qualifier]. Just my $0.02 worth. On 8/26/08, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- That KB lists the products that are supported on Hypervisor. Greg's questions was specific to VMWare ESX. This will be a very sticky question and http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/ provides the support limits. -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:46 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Virtualising ISA Greg, ISA Server is supported. See the following KB Article for the full details on all supported virtualized applications from Microsoft. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957006 On 8/26/08, Greg Mulholland <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Jim and/or others Is there an official standpoint from MS as to supported requirements for ISA virtualised in production environments? 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