True enough... In cases where a separate server cannot be installed, I have just established a client-to-server VPN (but again, with XP or Win2k) and 2 nics and route the phone IP down the VPN. Works great. I did that several times when travelling to BlackHat conferences actually... I was sitting at the bar in Singapore, connected to the net via wireless, and had my IP Phone plugged into the nic side, routing down a VPN tunnel to my NEC gateway. I could make overhead pages in Charleston and accept all incoming calls to that number (or direct extension...) I did something similar at my old office where I didn't want to install a separate server... A little ghetto, but cool. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Dzek" <rdzek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: [isalist] RE: VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org You are assuming that he has a MS server on both ends. I have still not found a hardware VPN DSL/Cable modem box that will let us connect home users to our home office ISA VPN server. Ray Dzek Network Operations Supervisor Specialized Bicycle Components -----Original Message----- From: Thor [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:25 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org MessageCorrect... You may want to consider VPN if the remote connection is trusted. That works just fine through ISA, and your traffic is encrypted... I don't think I'd want my IP telephony traffic waving in the breeze like that... t ----- Original Message ----- From: Administrator To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: [isalist] RE: VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org Hi My Isa External NIC has a fixed public IP and connects direct to my cable modem which has another fixed IP To put the VOIP phone on the external I would need another public IP as I see it. Am I wrong? Open to suggestions to get this running William From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 24 June 2004 20:03 To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org Hi William, You put it in front of the firewall, which has the same effect. Tom Thomas W Shinder www.isaserver.org/shinder ISA 2004 Beta - Get it now! http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/beta/default.asp ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:Administrator@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:55 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Ok..so if I play the dangerous game...how do I open all TCP and all UDP In and OUT? Is this possible? William From: Ray Dzek [mailto:rdzek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 24 June 2004 19:46 To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org If you figure this out you would be ahead of just about everybody. VOIP does not play nice with ISA, or just about any other firewall for that matter. You usually have to revert to hanging your VOIP phones out on in a DMZ with a real internet IP address. Ray Dzek Network Operations Supervisor Specialized Bicycle Components PH: 408-782-5420 FX: 408-782-5421 -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:Administrator@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:17 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] VOIP phone http://www.ISAserver.org Hi I have a VOIP phone on my internal network. It has a fixed IP It seems that from one phone to another and Service provider to another different ports are needed Can anyone tell me how to open ALL port to the IP of this phone or of some way to find the ports I need. Ports 5060 and 20222 TCP In and Out are needed but from a sniffer it seems to from to use UDP ports etc The VOIP phone is a GrandStream BudgeTone-100 Appreciate any help William ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: World of Windows Networking: http://www.windowsnetworking.com Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org 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