[isalist] Re: TMG Release

Jim,

I think what he's saying is... (correct me if I'm misinterpreting, Bill)

If the product line consists of Proxy Server 1.0 -> Proxy Server 2.0 ->
Proxy Server 3.0 -> ISA Server 2000 -> ISA Server 2004 -> ISA Server 2006 ->
TMG and...

SA is paid for PS1, PS2, PS3, ISA2K, ISA2K4, ISA2K6 then...

since SA was paid for each and every version in the product line wouldn't
that entitle the customer to TMG...

even though they're still running ISA2K4?

I don't think they're asking if SA paid for on ISA2K4 (or PS1 for that
matter) simply rolls over into ISA2K6.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  By your logic, SA for Proxy Server 1.0 gets you free upgrade to TMG as
> well (ignore the long-out-of-support aspect for a moment).
>
> The whole point of SA is version-to-version upgrade protection; not
> “anything I want” upgrade protection.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Mayo, Bill
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 12:14 PM
> *To:* isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [isalist] Re: TMG Release
>
>
>
> Do I understand you to say that if someone purchased ISA 2004 with SA and
> kept renewing the SA every year, but chose not to actually upgrade to 2006,
> then they forfeit upgrade rights in perpetuity from that point on?  That
> seems a little persnickety, does it not?  We only do a little bit of SA
> around here, so there may be something I am missing, but it has always been
> the case here that when a new revision came out, your SA renewals were
> always relevant to the current version.  In other words, it wasn't like
> there was even an option to choose to renew SA under the old version
> number.  Our upgrades have always been tied to a state contract, which is
> multi-year, and we always have to decide at the end of the contract period
> whether we are going to renew the specific SA's at that time, but it always
> in the form of the current version.  I don't know if the contracted time
> period makes our case unique or not.
>
>
>
> I am not trying to be argumentative (at least at this point), just seeking
> to understand.  The whole point of SA is upgrade protection, so if you keep
> it paid up, I don't understand why Microsoft cares if you actually perform
> the upgrade(s) to which you are entitled or not.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Jim Harrison
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 2:58 PM
> *To:* isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [isalist] Re: TMG Release
>
> No; SA gets you the “next revision”; not “the next convenient revision”.
>
> If you don’t exercise your 2004 SA to upgrade to ISA 2006, you don’t’ get
> to upgrade to TMG.
>
>
>
> *From:* isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Amy Babinchak
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 11:54 AM
> *To:* isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [isalist] Re: TMG Release
>
>
>
> It’s really a matter of whether you have excerised your SA rights yet or
> not. If not, why haven’t you?
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
>
> Amy Babinchak
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> *From:* isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Joe Pochedley
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 11:51 AM
> *To:* isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [isalist] Re: TMG Release
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
>
>
> I don’t understand this:
>
>
>
> ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.
>
> ISA 2004 SA will not.
>
>
>
>
>
> ISA SA is ISA SA…  I’ve never seen a distinction for SA for ISA 2004 vs SA
> for ISA 2006…  If the SA is active / up-to-date, then you’ve got SA for the
> ISA product line.   As TMG is the next “version” of ISA, then any active ISA
> SA should get you the upgrade…  Or am I missing something?
>
>
>
> Joe P
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Jim Harrison
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:40 PM
> *To:* isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [isalist] Re: TMG Release
>
>
>
> TMG will release by the end of this year, which will also be about 90 days
> before it goes “GA” (Generally Available).
>
> ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.
>
> ISA 2004 SA will not.
>
> TMG MBE does not have SA, so who cares?
>
>
>
> Seriously – do you really think anyone with an NDA is going to break it in
> a public forum by giving vague suggestions as to a release date other than
> what’s been publicly stated?
>
> Your nail-biting customers are in no worse position than any other ISA
> customer.  Those who have “moved on cuz we can’t wait” will regret that
> decision, but hey – it’s their decision to make…
>
>
>
> Patience, (gr)asshopper – all good things in their own time. J
>
>
>
> *From:* isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Andy Haigh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:59 PM
> *To:* isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [isalist] TMG Release
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Now I know that those in the know are restricted by NDR’s and other
> constraints but if I were to guess at there being a RC release Oct/Nov with
> the product being released to the public by Feb 2010, would it be a close
> guess?
>
>
>
> Been getting a lot of pressure from clients about when is TMG going to be
> available. They are some who have moved to other products already but I
> still have some hanging on as they have SA on the product.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Andy
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Jerry G. Young II
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer

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