[isalist] Re: TMG Release

By your logic, SA for Proxy Server 1.0 gets you free upgrade to TMG as well 
(ignore the long-out-of-support aspect for a moment).
The whole point of SA is version-to-version upgrade protection; not "anything I 
want" upgrade protection.


From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Mayo, Bill
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:14 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

Do I understand you to say that if someone purchased ISA 2004 with SA and kept 
renewing the SA every year, but chose not to actually upgrade to 2006, then 
they forfeit upgrade rights in perpetuity from that point on?  That seems a 
little persnickety, does it not?  We only do a little bit of SA around here, so 
there may be something I am missing, but it has always been the case here that 
when a new revision came out, your SA renewals were always relevant to the 
current version.  In other words, it wasn't like there was even an option to 
choose to renew SA under the old version number.  Our upgrades have always been 
tied to a state contract, which is multi-year, and we always have to decide at 
the end of the contract period whether we are going to renew the specific SA's 
at that time, but it always in the form of the current version.  I don't know 
if the contracted time period makes our case unique or not.

I am not trying to be argumentative (at least at this point), just seeking to 
understand.  The whole point of SA is upgrade protection, so if you keep it 
paid up, I don't understand why Microsoft cares if you actually perform the 
upgrade(s) to which you are entitled or not.

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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:58 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
No; SA gets you the "next revision"; not "the next convenient revision".
If you don't exercise your 2004 SA to upgrade to ISA 2006, you don't' get to 
upgrade to TMG.

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:54 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

It's really a matter of whether you have excerised your SA rights yet or not. 
If not, why haven't you?

thanks,

Amy Babinchak

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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Joe Pochedley
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:51 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

Jim,

I don't understand this:

ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.
ISA 2004 SA will not.


ISA SA is ISA SA...  I've never seen a distinction for SA for ISA 2004 vs SA 
for ISA 2006...  If the SA is active / up-to-date, then you've got SA for the 
ISA product line.   As TMG is the next "version" of ISA, then any active ISA SA 
should get you the upgrade...  Or am I missing something?

Joe P


From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:40 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

TMG will release by the end of this year, which will also be about 90 days 
before it goes "GA" (Generally Available).
ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.
ISA 2004 SA will not.
TMG MBE does not have SA, so who cares?

Seriously - do you really think anyone with an NDA is going to break it in a 
public forum by giving vague suggestions as to a release date other than what's 
been publicly stated?
Your nail-biting customers are in no worse position than any other ISA 
customer.  Those who have "moved on cuz we can't wait" will regret that 
decision, but hey - it's their decision to make...

Patience, (gr)asshopper - all good things in their own time. :)

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Andy Haigh
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] TMG Release

Hi All,
Now I know that those in the know are restricted by NDR's and other constraints 
but if I were to guess at there being a RC release Oct/Nov with the product 
being released to the public by Feb 2010, would it be a close guess?

Been getting a lot of pressure from clients about when is TMG going to be 
available. They are some who have moved to other products already but I still 
have some hanging on as they have SA on the product.

Thanks

Andy


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