[isalist] Re: TMG Release

  • From: John Wilson <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:44:06 -0400

So here's what I don't get... If the liscensing folks and the web documentation doesn't agree, what is the customer ENTITLED to? I mean, does MIcrosoft have to honor what is in writing on the site, or do they have one of those clauses in the liscence that states it may change at any time, etc.,etc.? 


I guess that's the real crux of the issue.

John Wilson

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On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


..hardly.
If the web page and the marketing and licensing folks disagree, something has to change. 
The only thing I hate worse than bad docs is bad licensing statements.
Licensing is hard enough without having "mixed messages" floating about.
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat [steve@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
No matter what your licencing peeps say....We (my client), went straight from 2000 to 2008.....through ms gold partner who clarified it with MS licensing. 3 months ago. 3 servers.
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:06 PM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release



It's the "active SA" part that I'm trying to make clear.
I've had discussions with several customers that think SA for one product morphs into another automagically. 



FWIW, I've pinged the licensing folks.
They're the ones that have been saying "free upgrade from ISA 2006 only". 



It wouldn't be the first time a web page was "mistaken".
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley [Joe.Pochedley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:53 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
I have to concur with Steve… So long as you have an “active SA” for a product line, then you’re eligible to upgrade to the latest version of the product. As soon as your SA is not renewed (b ecomes inactive), then you lose your upgrade rights.
So, if you had an active SA on ISA 2006, but that SA expires and is not renewed prior to TMG release, then you’re not entitled to TMG. If you have an active SA for ISA at TMG’s release, and you’re still (for some god awful reason) running ISA 2000, you still have a valid license to TMG…
Since an active SA also grants product downgrade rights, I don’t see why MS would care whether a company is running ISA 2004 or 2006… S o long as the SA is active. (which means Microsoft is getting their money!)
Now, there’s of course a question on whether you need to exercise th e SA right to upgrade before the SA expires (should you decided to l et an SA expire). But that’s a whole other topic for another day.
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:00 AM
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Nah, Jim's just wrong this time. I've never had to do that for any of my clients & one of them has just went from win2k to win2008 on SA
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ball, Dan 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:42 AM
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I would like to find out more about the “exercising your SA” thing, we’ve maintained Software Assurance on all of our server prod ucts for about 10 years now and I’ve never heard that term before. Possibly this is something that our reseller does automatically for us?
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:10 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release



He is not correct tho'



According to Tim & MS
If my organization has Software Assurance, can we upgrade to the new version of any product? You may upgrade to the latest version of any underlying licensed product for which you have Software Assurance coverage. 

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/software-assurance/faq.aspx
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:59 AM
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That’s what I said.



thanks,



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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:58 PM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
No; SA gets you the “next revision”; not “the next convenient revision”.
If you don’t exercise your 2004 SA to upgrade to ISA 2006, you don’t’ get to upgrade to TMG.
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:54 AM
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It’s really a matter of whether you have excerised your SA rights ye t or not. If not, why haven’t you? 



thanks,



Amy Babinchak



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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:51 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release



Jim,



I don’t understand this:



ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.

ISA 2004 SA will not.
ISA SA is ISA SA… I’ve never seen a distinction for SA for ISA 2004 vs SA for ISA 2006… If the SA is active / up-to-date, then you ’ve got SA for the ISA product line. As TMG is the next “version” of ISA, then any active ISA SA should get you the upgrade… Or am I missing something? 



Joe P
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:40 PM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
TMG will release by the end of this year, which will also be about 90 days before it goes “GA” (Generally Available). 

ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.

ISA 2004 SA will not.

TMG MBE does not have SA, so who cares?
Seriously – do you really think anyone with an NDA is going to break it in a public forum by giving vague suggestions as to a release da te other than what’s been publicly stated?
Your nail-biting customers are in no worse position than any other ISA customer. Those who have “moved on cuz we can’t wait” will regret that decision, but hey – it’s their decision to make… 



Patience, (gr)asshopper – all good things in their own time. J
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Haigh 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:59 PM
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Subject: [isalist] TMG Release



Hi All,
Now I know that those in the know are restricted by NDR’s and other constraints but if I were to guess at there being a RC release Oct/N ov with the product being released to the public by Feb 2010, would it be a close guess?
Been getting a lot of pressure from clients about when is TMG going to be available. They are some who have moved to other products already but I still have some hanging on as they have SA on the product. 



Thanks



Andy




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