I fail to see your point Tsao San Microsoft built ISA to THEIR specs...it's UP to 3rd party vendors to make sure their filters work in ISA, NOT the other way round. S -----Original Message----- From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:55 AM To: ISA Mailing List Subject: [isalist] RE: SurfControl & SNAT http://www.ISAserver.org SurfControl has various Webfilter suitable to different firewall, i.e.: 1) for ISA2K & 2K4 2) for Proxy 3) for Windows (works with sniffing switch) 4) for Hardware firewall It does not make sense to blame SurfControl lack of filter control Under ISA version, this must work with WebProxy. In case of monitering Who web traffic, you may need to take another type of product from Above 3-4). -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:07 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: SurfControl & SNAT http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Ara, The problem is that client must be explicitly configured as a Web proxy client. Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls -----Original Message----- From: Ara [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:50 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: SurfControl & SNAT http://www.ISAserver.org John, Problem is if you have the firewall client and users uses a 3rd party browser like fire fox and direct access to internet, or even using internet explorer with firewall client disabled manually, the can simply bypass the filtering rule, Errrr... Seems that any none proxy traffic is not filtered under surfcontrol Any reply or comment will be appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:41 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: SurfControl & SNAT http://www.ISAserver.org Well, since I have not been following this thread, I do not know. So instead of wading through all the posts, if some one lets me know exactly what to test I will, although it may not be until Tuesday. John T eServices For You > -----Original Message----- > From: Ara [mailto:ara@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:22 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: SurfControl & SNAT > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Is burstek product suffering from same issue? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:05 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: SurfControl & SNAT > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > All I can say is.... Wow... > > If we had known they'd "discontinue" the SecureNAT support in version 5, > we would have looked for another vendor. We were under the impression > it was just a bug, and would be patched soon. Guess I'll to look at > disabling SecureNAT sooner than expected... > > Yep, lots of fun now! Now where is that BBB? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crockett, Gregory [mailto:Gregory.Crockett@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:49 > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] SurfControl & SNAT > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Received the following from a Senior Technician @ SurfControl: > > Have fun! > > Greg > > ===================================================== > =================== > Dear Greg, > > Our Development Manager replied to the query. The SNAT issue is being > addressed in Engineering for the next major version release. Now > experience tells us that it would most likely be close to the end of the > year around October. This is a guideline compared to normal SurfControl > product releases and SurfControl just released v5 last November if > memory serves. 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