We have Ameritech.... if they could charge prices like that, they would probably not be regulularly in from of the Illinois Commerce Commission. They recently got a penalty levied on them that requires them to pay businesses for expensed due to insanely excessive down time. -----Original Message----- From: Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:31 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix http://www.ISAserver.org No doubt... The local loop to my house in Tahoe is way more than that on its own! Provisioning is an add on!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dellanno" <david@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:20 AM Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > 395/mo that's a steal....Full T1? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:18 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Hi Jeff, > > I you ever get desparate, T1 is only 395/mo in Dallas. Still expensive, > but if you are running a business, its a justifiable write off. > > Thanks! > > Tom > www.isaserver.org/shinder > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey M. Butte [mailto:jbutte@xxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:29 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > I do small business consulting on the side and find this to be quite > common. I had even ordered business DSL for my home and found they > botched the installation and put in residential. Their response was... > well it works so lets leave it alone. Now with the advent of Code Red, > they are blocking ICMP, TCP Ports 21, 23, 25, and 80. They have plans > to start blocking more (per tech support). My request for a new router > config for business is now going on 3 weeks of "we will get back to you > shortly". Also now since they no longer bridge business accounts, I > will have to pay for 4 IP addresses for the router so I can get one > static. If I did not originally have a business contract at a fixed > price, their new price would have cost me 4 times the residential. > > Now with Covad, Rythms and NorthPoint either out of business or going > that way... I am busy with customer notifications of "Due to the chapter > 11 of <fillintheblank> your service will be discontinued on > <fillinsomedate>" > > Check out a good article at > http://www.emarketer.com/analysis/broadband/20010417_bband.html > > - Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: JB Fields [mailto:jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:25 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Yes, exactly. And so what if my family wants to look at vacation > pictures? > I sure wish I knew who to talk to among the people who regulate the > phone > companies. > > JB Fields, A+, MCP+I, MCSE, MCT, CTT > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > Washington, DC > > > > From: "Musser, Dale" <musser@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fixDate: Fri, 31 Aug > 2001 07:14:07 -0400 > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > I am with you!!! > Our cable provider blocks port 80 also even for business accounts. > We have a sbs2000 server and are having a constant battle. So far the > provider will not open it. > We tried to explain we dont want to web host but do want to get to > outlook web and they will not hear of it. > > dm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:35 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > I've got a facility in Baltimore, and we use Atlantech DSL (I see you > are in > DC, maybe they service you)... The startup costs were a bit high, but > the > service is excellent. The monthly is pretty cheap to- I think it is > something like $130 for SDSL 720k or something. You should check them > out > on DSLReports.com > > The circuit rocks too- I'm consistently under 70ms; good enough to run > voice > over IP. > AD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JB Fields" <jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:14 PM > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > A part of me figures this has to make sense with stuff like Code Red > running > > around, but yes! I don't want to ask about the price of a business > account! > > > > JB Fields, A+, MCP+I, MCSE, MCT, CTT > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Washington, DC > > > > > > > > From: "Thomas W. Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:55:52 -0500 > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > Hi JB, > > > > I suspect the large ISPs will all be moving to this model where they > > don't allow any unsolicited inbound to user subnets. The only way > you'll > > be able to publish servers is by getting a "business" account. > > > > The Internet just isn't as much fun as it used to be :-( > > > > Tom > > www.isaserver.org/shinder > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JB Fields [mailto:jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:52 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > Yep, I've been robbed. Port 12345 doesn't work, either. > > > > I'll turn off the DSL and move to a place that has cable modems. > Wanna > > bet > > that I don't do much business with Verizon in the future? > > > > JB Fields, A+, MCP+I, MCSE, MCT, CTT > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Washington, DC > > > > > > > > From: "Thomas W. Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:34:23 -0500 > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > Hi JB, > > > > That's pretty scary. If they've blocked PING and 80, maybe they are > > using dynamic packet filting so that only response ports are > available > > to their networks. That mean no unsolicited INCOMING packets. > > > > OUCH! > > > > Try this: Turn off packet filtering, and then change the WWW service > > port to 81 or 101 or something like that. Then see if you can browse > the > > web site on the ISA Server itself. > > > > HTH, > > Tom > > www.isaserver.org/shinder > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JB Fields [mailto:jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:32 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Cc: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > Neither works. You can't get to www.jbfields3.com because Verizon > > "capped" > > port 80, as the technical support person said it. > > > > JB Fields, A+, MCP+I, MCSE, MCT, CTT > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Washington, DC > > > > > > > > From: "Sandy. Ryan" <sryan@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Something ISA Server can't fix > > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:29:04 -0600 > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > Surprisingly enough - its the Ip address. > > I had a similar problem - ended up calling Microsoft - the > configuration > > was fine -- > > it was the silly IP --- you MUST use a FQDN to make ISA work - if not > > you are hosed. > > Sandy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JB Fields > > Sent: Thu 8/30/2001 8:24 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Cc: > > Subject: [isalist] Something ISA Server can't fix > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > I've been very embarrassed, over the last few weeks, that I > > could not get my > > web publishing to work on my home site. As we were in the > > middle of the > > Code Red stuff, I was pretty philosophical about it. Tonight, I > > got down to > > business and went through everything with a fine tooth comb. > > Things didn't > > get better. > > > > I went to www.isaserver.org and went through the documents on > > web publishing > > a step at a time. No help. > > > > DNS wasn't an issue because I was doing the http://ip_address > > approach. > > > > Finally, something told me to ping my address from the > > Internet... nothing! > > It turns out that Verizon has curtailed our ability to access > > our servers > > attached to their DSL lines. I can get to the Internet, but > > people on the > > Internet can no longer get to me. > > > > JB Fields, A+, MCP+I, MCSE, MCT, CTT > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Washington, DC > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion > > List as: sryan@xxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > > > > << winmail.dat >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List > as: > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List > as: > > tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List > as: > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List > as: > > tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List > as: > > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List > as: > thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > $subst('Email.Unsub') > > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: > musser@xxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: > jbfields3@xxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: > jbutte@xxxxxx > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: > tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') > > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: > david@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') > > ------------------------------------------------------ > You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: jbutte@xxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')