[isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:07:18 -0600
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You can create one rule that requires authentication and one that
doesn't. The difference between the rules is that the paths are going to
be different.
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:44 AM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> How can I do that if you can only have one listener per IP &
> port? If I
> create an SSL-Only listener that uses port 443, and one that uses both
> port 80 and 443, it won't allow me to use both of them because they
> overlap. I'd have to move one to an alternate IP or port to
> use both.
>
> Also, if I create one listener for SSL, and one for HTTP, then I won't
> be able to use my main website because the address is the same. It's
> not a matter of being able to separate one segment of the website as
> "authenticated" and one as "public" and use different rules for each.
> You browse the website, then if you want to log in you click on the
> login button, which prompts you for your domain info. Once that
> information is validated, you go right back to the same
> website only now
> you have more menu items showing.
>
> The reason I'm asking all this is because I am seriously
> wondering if it
> is a configuration issue or a corrupted install of the ISA server (I
> used the same CD on both installs). I spent many-many hours on this
> yesterday and last night trying every possible combination I
> could think
> of to get this thing working (makes it much simpler with a
> test server)
> and have had absolutely no success. I've reset the entire ISA server
> with a different template, and followed every tutorial I
> could find, and
> keep ending up in the same place over and over and over and
> over again.
> The "only" way I've found that works is to use the redirect to SSL
> option in the web listener. Then, the anonymous browsing and
> authentication work, but some things (webcams, embedded video) don't
> work anymore (secure & non-secure items error).
>
> Or, do you think this is more of an issue for PSS?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:27 AM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> First thing I would do is create two Web listeners -- one for SSL and
> one for HTTP with SSL. Then use the SSL listener for those connections
> requiring authetication and the HTTP listener for those
> connections not
> requiring authentication.
>
> HTH,
> Tom
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:03 PM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Okay, that makes sense, but how do you do it? I've been
> going through
> > tutorials and help menus for hours now trying to figure out
> how to get
> > this working. My scenario is a bit different than others,
> > and I haven't
> > found a tutorial that seems to cover what I need.
> >
> > Here's my situation:
> >
> > Server 1: Main website, we need anonymous browsing
> abilities for the
> > general public, so we need basic, unauthenticated publishing. To
> > confuse the issue however, if an employee wants to log into
> > the website,
> > they need to authenticate to the AD.
> >
> > Server 2: Combination of web-based calendar and Exchange
> > OWA. One part
> > of it is OWA which requires authentication against the AD,
> > and the other
> > part of it is forms-based authentication.
> >
> > So, basically, I have two websites that have the same need,
> they both
> > have to have a portion available for anonymous browsing,
> and a portion
> > that uses AD authentication. Since they both use port 80 and
> > 433, they
> > have to use the same listener. This worked great on ISA2004, but I
> > haven't figured out how to get it working in ISA2006 yet.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:18 PM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > That is to say, you should be using SSL to SSL bridging with basic
> > delegation.
> >
> > You don't want to use NTLM for remote access connections.
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:29 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Okay, now I'm really confused.
> > >
> > > I setup the test server again and using the standard edge template
> > > created a whole new setup from scratch. If I publish a
> > webserver, it
> > > works at first glance. However, whenever I go to a page
> > that require
> > > NTLM authentication I get the error message a 403 error
> but no login
> > > box.
> > >
> > > If I change the Authentication delegation to "No delegation,
> > > but client
> > > may authenticate directly", I get the original error
> about requiring
> > > SSL.
> > >
> > > If I then use the redirect to SSL in the web listener,
> > > everything works,
> > > but then EVERYTHING is redirected to SSL. (This is the way
> > > I've had our
> > > site running for about two months now.)
> > >
> > > This makes it a bit difficult to use, in that NTLM
> authentication is
> > > what is required to log into Exchange (in non-FBA mode) and our
> > > webserver, which supports AD integration. This was working with
> > > ISA2004, but not with ISA2006.
> > >
> > > However, I'm not 100% certain it was working upon the
> > initial "clean"
> > > installation of ISA2006. Since I didn't know exactly what to
> > > look for,
> > > I just got the website publishing rule setup to browse
> the anonymous
> > > portion of our website and assumed it was working. I'm
> not entirely
> > > sure that using the templates (or doing a backup restore)
> overwrites
> > > "everything" in the ISA server, so only another clean
> install would
> > > prove that.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:55 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > It was affecting both Web and OWA publishing. I was working
> > > specifically with the web publishing rule over the last few days.
> > >
> > > I spoke too soon on it being fixed though. I was just
> looking at it
> > > again and it appears that with that setting it will not
> > prompt a user
> > > for a domain login on either our webserver or our Exchange
> > > server. OWA
> > > is now disabled, with a 403 forbidden error 12202, no login
> > > box appears.
> > >
> > > As for auth settings at the FE server, we only have one
> ISA and one
> > > Exchange, none of which are set up for requiring SSL (or any
> > > authentication) right now. Not sure exactly what settings you are
> > > referring to.
> > >
> > > I put the test server back on the shelf, but can fire that
> > > one up again
> > > and do more testing. If you want, I can send you a backup
> > > export which
> > > you can use for testing. I made several backups during the
> > > testing, and
> > > the last one I did was a bare-bones system with one web
> > > publishing rule,
> > > and no confidential or permissions settings exported.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:06 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Was this an Exchange publishing scenario?
> > >
> > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:48 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Ok - now I have to play with this.
> > > > What auth settings did you have at the FE server?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:12 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > > Situation finally resolved, I just KNEW it had to be
> > > > something simple!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It took a few days, but I finally got a test server online.
> > > Installed
> > > > ISA2006, verified it would publish the website properly,
> > > then imported
> > > > the other ISA server's backup. Had to do some minor tweaks
> > > > to adjust it
> > > > for a different computer, but got it running and was able
> > > to reproduce
> > > > the problem (w/o SurfControl or RainConnect). I then spent
> > > > quite awhile
> > > > purging out all the excess settings to finally get it down a
> > > > bare system
> > > > with one publishing rule exhibiting the same problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I then tried to purge that rule down to the bare
> minimums, and the
> > > > problem disappeared! So, I went through each setting,
> > > one-by-one, and
> > > > finally found that if you set the Authentication Delegation
> > > tab to "No
> > > > delegation, but client may authenticate directly", you
> get the SSL
> > > > required response. I changed it to "No delegation, and
> > > client cannot
> > > > authenticate directly" on the live server, and everything
> > started to
> > > > work again!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know for a fact that I have changed that setting numerous
> > > > times during
> > > > my testing, so how I didn't stumble across this fix before is
> > > > beyond me.
> > > > Both of the webservers I publish do support NTLM
> > > authentication, so by
> > > > the description of that setting you'd think you'd need to
> > > have it set.
> > > > This is definitely something to keep in mind for future
> > > > troubleshooting...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To summarize, if you see this error (and SSL is not
> specified as a
> > > > requirement ANYWHERE):
> > > >
> > > > Error Code: 403 Forbidden. The page must be viewed over a
> > > > secure channel
> > > > (Secure Sockets Layer (SSL)). Contact the server
> > > > administrator. (12241)
> > > >
> > > > Check your Authentication Delegation settings!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:16 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, I ran out of time before I was able to do
> > > that. I did
> > > > attempt to test it, but "all" publishing wasn't working at
> > > that time,
> > > > and I had to get SurfControl back up and operational in a
> > > really short
> > > > span of time, so it wasn't completed. I also tried to put
> > > RainConnect
> > > > back on, but that gave me some serious errors and wouldn't
> > > > work at all,
> > > > and with the short amount of time I had to work with I ended
> > > > up removing
> > > > that and bringing the server up with only one ISP just to get it
> > > > operational.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just got off the phone with SurfControl, and they
> > confirmed what I
> > > > suspected. That program will "block" SSL or non-SSL,
> but there is
> > > > nothing in the program that will "force" a connection to use
> > > > SSL, so we
> > > > can "almost" rule that out. Or, at least we can rule out a SC
> > > > configuration setting as the culprit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have an aide setting up another test ISA server right
> > > now, and will
> > > > test a clean install (not using the ISA backup) to see if I
> > > can narrow
> > > > it down a bit more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:44 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you try it before you added in rainconnect &
> surfcontrol.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:43 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not that I can tell. It can block SSL or non-SSL
> > > > connections, but don't
> > > > see anyway to force it to be required. I'll contact
> > > > SurfControl and see
> > > > if they know of anything like that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:12 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, there's no way for me to review the SC
> > > > settings - does it
> > > > have any way to enforce SSL?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:44 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, it appears that it might be a configuration
> issue. I did an
> > > > almost total rebuild yesterday; I exported the ISA
> > > settings, formatted
> > > > the drive, reinstalled ISA and SurfControl (left
> > > RainConnect out), and
> > > > got the same exact symptoms. I'm thinking I'm going to have
> > > > to rewrite
> > > > all my ISA settings from scratch now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:05 PM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I did and so far, the data doesn't line up.
> > > >
> > > > The capture clearly indicates that ISA is the one
> > > responding with the
> > > > "muse use SSL", but none of the configuration seems to
> require it.
> > > >
> > > > I tried your site today and I get a "302" redirect, but the
> > > > SSL listener
> > > > is apparently deaf.
> > > >
> > > > This too is a non-functional combination.
> > > >
> > > > I'll have to format the tracing and see what shakes out. We
> > > > may have to
> > > > repeat this process a time or two...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:18 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Were you able to make sense of the info I sent you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:12 AM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing in ISA2006
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Get an ISABPAPack in repro mode and send me the results.
> > > >
> > > > You can get ISABPA from MS downloads.
> > > >
> > > > The instructions for running ISABPAPack in repro mode are
> > > part of the
> > > > package.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.
> > > >
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