RE: Protocol question

LOL Steve, 

You honestly Steve you think saying things like "You still have your 
Kindergarten Equivalency Diploma, too?" is constructive criticism when it has 
no bearing on the topic itself? 

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Moffat [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:31 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Protocol question

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The "Cheap shots" should NOT be taken as cheap shots. It is in my view 
constructive criticism.

Not to put a fine point on it, but Andrew is very guilty of asking very vague 
questions, but on the rare occasion he actually asks a detailed question, he 
doesn't seem to follow the advice given until it's repeated 3 or 4 times. Then 
you find out that he has left out a very important piece of the equation, like 
in this post.


S

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nuernberger [mailto:pen@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:02 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Protocol question

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I hate to be the bearer of more "cheap shots", but that answer could not 
possibly have come out of your first question.  Once he knew what game you were 
asking about he solved your problem (for you).

BTW, I have found that this list works well in helping others solve their 
problems interactively, and less well when just asking for "packaged"
solutions.

Lets give this issue a rest, shall we ??

Paul Nuernberger

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:06 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Protocol question

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Well if someone had answered my first question correctly with some intelligence 
it would taken less than 20mins!

Thanks Steve,

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Moffat [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:17 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Protocol question

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OK

Here we go

Create 2 new protocols

1. port 3724 TCP outbound

2. port 3724 TCP inbound

Create an allow rule using the above protocols for the pc that you are going to 
use to play the game, make sure the firewall client is installed.

Start the game, monitor the isa logs to see what other ports are needed, 
inbound and outbound. Create protocols and add to the rule when needed.

Jeez.......I got it working in 20 mins.

S




-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:11 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Protocol question

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Responding to multiple posts:

While it is everyone's absolute right to do what they chose with what they 
purchase, part of that right is removed when you are using that purchase to 
provide services for others.

If Andrew was mealy saying he wanted his ISA to both be as a firewall for his 
computers and all on-line gaming that is his choice. But once his actions can 
affect others, and in this case, his clients, a different set of standards MUST 
prevail.

I have a professional, ethical, moral and legal duty to conduct and use my 
computer in a manner that does not comprise or expose the data of my clients.

IMHO, configuring my computer and firewall for on-line gaming breaks that duty.

If you are curious as to the security breaches and comprises in computers 
running on-line games, just visit any Internet Gaming Center/Café. Most if not 
all use software on the computers that does one of 2 things: A) Able to reapply 
the computer image daily or weekly. B) Software installed that prevents changes 
to the files and registry on the computer but allowing applications to think 
that it is being changed. (I do not remember what that software is called, but 
it is designed so that a user can do what they want to the computer, and then 
upon restart it is back to normal. If I remember, it costs like $50 per 
computer for an annual license.) Most will not have firewalls in place because 
most people do not know how to properly configure a firewall for on-line 
gaming. (Needs to be in standard or pass through mode with computers having 
public IPs.)

It is estimated that 75% of all computers outside of Internet Gaming centers 
also have one or more of the following installed whether intentional or not:
File sharing programs, Chat programs, Trojans, Viruses, Spyware and so forth. 
Think about that for a minute. That high of a percentage can not be by choice 
of that computer user/owner.

Remember, the hackers and other bad guys out there also know which ports are 
needed for what games. As I had read recently about on-line game 
vulnerabilities, the focus on the software that runs these games is not on 
security and as such vulnerabilities can and are found at a much higher rate 
than the general public knows about.

So, IMO, the question of appropriateness for this list is not of content. It is 
how the poster is asking the questions and for what purpose. 

John T
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