Kenny has quite a few valid points in his posts. The bottom line is I had already posted a similar question if not the same kind of question before in this list and didn't hide the fact that I was trying to get a game working behind ISA 2004 Server and I got nothing but flack. As Kenny said in his posts if you didn't want help then don't help. There are two types' bosses, there is the boss who wants to know all the nitty gritty deals and the end results, and then there is the boss who doesn't care how you did it he just wants it done. Not once did you (expect for Steve and someone else) says; There different scenarios for when you need to use the secondary connection a couple might be....blah.. otherwise just create a new protocol with your Inbound TCP ports and call it a day. You have made this whole thing into a science fair; oh well the molecular structure of the TCP/IP ports are x over y to the power of pie times 34 over 150, and then flamed me left right and center after you found out that I was trying to run a game through my own ISA 2004 Server again. I had my wife who has a degree in sociology look at the cheap shot comments you were making and she was totally shocked and wonder how your wives deal with such crap because you all sounded like a bunch of nerds!? (and you know who you are, I am not going to mention any names...) In the future keep it simple. I really don't want to know the politics of why it should or shouldn't be done, it's my server it's my risk not yours, sure you can remind me that you don't agree with doing it but you can force me to not do it. I am done with this thread. (Protocol question) Andrew