Hi Ray, I think you just about summed it up better than I ever could! :-) Thanks! Tom Thomas W Shinder www.isaserver.org/shinder ISA 2004 Beta - Get it now! http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/beta/default.asp ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp -----Original Message----- From: Ray Dzek [mailto:rdzek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 3:12 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: OT: Why Friends Don't Let Friends use RBLs http://www.ISAserver.org So in a nutshell, you have a lot of really stupid people, all doing various degrees of really stupid things. 1. You have the spammers. 2. You have the lawmakers. 3. You have the entire industry that has been built on "protecting" us from the 1st group. They ALL have their hand in your wallet. The spammers are of course fishing amongst you for the one in 8,000,000 that clicks on their ad. The lawmakers want you to give them money so they can pen some totally gutless piece of legislation to show their constituency how tough they are on spam. You have an entire industry that tells the lawmakers how to draft the laws to it makes it look to stupid consumers that they are doing something about the problem, but actually does nothing so the anti-spam companies can continue their lovely new found way to extract several hundred million dollars a year from companies and home users who just want to read the email from their co-workers, or family members without having to wade through 37 ways to increase various appendages. Kind of like a mini circle of life thing. Only it is really a carousel from hell and we are the ones stuck on the ride and can't get off. And we have to pay for the privilege again every time it goes around. Ranting about RBL's is ridiculous. Ranting about who follows what RFC is ridiculous. The RFC's are completely antiquated for dealing with spam and are written with the thought that everybody playing in the same sandbox plays nice. This is jungle-rules, and everybody in charge is a moron. You do what you have to do to protect your assets as best you can. If it inconveniences a few people, tough. War is like that. Don't forget your spam rations on the way out. That is all... Ray Dzek 87th light anti-spam brigade Network Operations Supervisor 1st class ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: World of Windows Networking: http://www.windowsnetworking.com Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist