Dears,

No doubt that ISA 2000 or 2004 or even 2006, have increased the possibility of controling user access,,, by allowing or denying the browsing or a tiny issue like downloding gif and not downloading jpg as an example..

This shows how much we can control user action,,,

Moreover, features like firewall services, securing VPN connection, Nating, Publishing web sites, etc.... are very helpfull features to make or Network Control is much easier...

But Nothing is secure like PIX...

I don't mean that PIX is more secure than ISA, or more capable of handling requests... I'm talking about features and design and even the hardware specification.... There is no comparison between ISA and PIX

I'm here, in my network ; using two failover PIX and two clustering ISA servers as well.. every device has it's responsiblities...

ISA is responisble for handling he request from users and filtering it depends on customized rules, and the great thing that ISA server is a domain member, so I can customized the rules directly to specific user ,,,

PIX is my Huge Body Guard which stand infront of my Out Door, to filter any request come in or out my door... YEs ..( in or out ) not just in .... and it is built on a very advanced built-in program in the hardware it self, it is the adaptive security algorithm, which has alot of tools to scan the coming packet,... like if we said , the ultravoilet, infarraed, and eye scanner and everything...

It's a very adaptive algorithm and it's very hard to penetrate,,, note that this alogorithm is working on every packet goes or come , also depend on your own cutomized rule you make on PIX,,,

and instead that the windows how operates, the adaptive security algorithm are running using the same processing speed of it's processor, as it is already loaded in the PIX processor and rams..

How faster do you think it will be !!!!!!?????

it also has a complete secure process for VPN connection and PATING, NATING , ... etc

But PIX is not function as layer 7 appliance, so we use ISA for this purpose,,, to control the Application layer and presentation layer... nothing more, nothing less,, and also because PIX is not integrating with Active Directory..

Finally, PIX is mandatory for security, and ISA is mandatory for controling... but if we talked about the ability to be hacked , I think you will agree with me that hacking a program runing on Windows platform is much easier from penetrating program runing on security dedicated appliance........ (( you can ask Bill Jates about it ))

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From: "Shane Mullins" <tsmullins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe) ...firewall ?
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:12:08 -0400
>http://www.ISAserver.org
>-------------------------------------------------------
> Good Deal,
>
> We have used ISA since Proxy 2.0. I really liked the upgrade
>from 2.0 to ISA 2000. But, I really really like ISA 2004. Some of
>the new features are great, esp in the VPN areas, stateful packet
>inspection. Also, I like the way ISA integrates into AD, this is
>huge if you are a Windows shop. Also, there are some third party
>snap ins that are very helpful.
>
>Shane
>
>PS I also really enjoyed reading your ISA 2004 book.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas W Shinder"
><tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:33 AM
>Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe) ...firewall ?
>
>
>http://www.ISAserver.org
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Shane,
>
>No problems, that's how I took it! :)
>
>The PIX tax reminds of when in the middle ages you could pay the
>church
>to absolve you of your sins. The situation here is that they're
>paying
>Cisco for their sin of slothfullness. Slothful in that they haven't
>spent the time and effort to understand real network security and
>blindly pay a router and switch company big money to protect
>comporate
>data (does anyone see the paradox in this?)
>
>Thanks!
>Tom
>
>Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>Site: www.isaserver.org
>Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane Mullins
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:56 AM
>>To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe) ...firewall ?
>>
>>http://www.ISAserver.org
>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Hey Thomas,
>>
>> I meant that to be a plug for ISA 2004. I think ISA 2004
>>is great. We
>>have two ISA 2004 boxes that firewall and provide internet
>>access for 3,500
>>machines. ISA 2004 has been rock solid for us. ISA 2004
>>provides advanced
>>logging and caching functions that a "hardware" firewall
>>cannot provide. I
>>have nothing against unix, but ISA 2004 is great.
>> We could have paid 50k for a single pix to provide
>>firewall services.
>>Then signed up for a 5k a year maintenance agreement (so we could
>>rcv
>>updates). And all machines need updates, even "hardware"
>>firewalls have an
>>OS. And ISA still does so much more.
>>
>>Shane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 6/19/06, Thomas W Shinder <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >> -------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Yes, it's that good. Go Daddy and the ISP are clueless.
>>Have you ever
>> >> talked to your ISP's "tech guys" who make these
>>recommendations? Let's
>> >> just say that the typical interaction leaves you with the
>>feeling that
>> >> they're not on the top of the firewall and networking food
>>chains :)
>> >>
>> >> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>> >> Site: www.isaserver.org
>> >> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>> >> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>> >> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane
>>Mullins
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:10 PM
>> >> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe) ...firewall ?
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >> > -------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > ISA 2K4 is really good? There is an eval version. Maybe he
>> >> > would let you
>> >> > try that.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Shane
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" <kavalec@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:08 PM
>> >> > Subject: [isalist] Hardware.... (cringe) ...firewall ?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > > My boss has been talking to our ISP and also to some folks
>> >> > at GoDaddy.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Both use - and recommend - hardware firewall solutions.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What do I tell him? He is poised to make one of those
>>classic PHB
>> >> > > decisions.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > (currently on ISA 2K)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > G. Waleed Kavalec
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