Very true Jim, ive had many discussions with clients over that very fact. Greg Mulholland Stelatel Communications Unit 3 641-643 Centre Rd Bentleigh East, VIC Phone: (03) 9576-5699 Fax: (03) 9576-5899 gregstelatel@xxxxxxxxxxx www.stelatel.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2004 1:35 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: New router http://www.ISAserver.org For those of us that actually read (and understand) technical documents, it would be correct. :-) There are devices being marketed as "routers" by the cable and DSL manufacturers that are nothing more than combination "modem/bridges" and have no real "routing" capabilities. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison http://isatools.org Read the help, books and articles! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 20:09 Subject: [isalist] Re: New router http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Jim, Those would be commonly be incorrectly referred to as a "DSL modem" , because of how it modulates and demodulates digital to digital signals :-) Thomas W Shinder www.isaserver.org/shinder ISA 2004 Beta - Get it now! http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/beta/default.asp ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:13 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: New router http://www.ISAserver.org That depends on what kind of router we're talking about. Many DSL and cable "routers" are nothing more than fanciful bridges with marketroid naming. With those devices, the "router" *my fingers are starting to hurt) doesn't actually use an IP, but instead bridges your network to the ISP / telco / cableco. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:46:23 +1000 "Greg Mulholland" <gregstelatel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org I am looking at putting a router at the edge of my network, keeping the ISA as the firewall and the mail, internal DNS, etc etc behind that. I have no problem being able to forward traffic from the router to the firewall. What I would like to clarify is the external interface of the ISA. Can it be in the same range or does it have to be different range. Also I will most definitely want to control outbound access through the firewall still. Do I need to set the router as the ISA's internal gateway? I have never had to setup in this way, im sure I could nut it out, but I just thought id get the heads up from anyone who has two cents to spare. 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