RE: Legal consequences (Was: RE: OT: Loser found responsible for worm)
- From: "Bill Kuhn - MCSE" <bkuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:40:28 -0500
Well put, tom.
I'm not big on blaming the victim. Criminal activities and threats have
cost Microsoft billions of $$. They are a victim.
I am a fervent believer in roasting the criminal.
And as to the scale of the crime.. If someone murders a homeless person
should he be punished less than someone who murders a billionaire? I
don't think so.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:19 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Legal consequences (Was: RE: OT: Loser found
responsible for worm)
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Hi Kenny,
I honestly don't see how anyone can reasonably blame Microsoft (unless
you're a lawyer and want to cash in).
Microsoft has put in more than enough due dilegence in trying to protect
their systems. Criminals *must* be held accountable for their criminal
behavior. Once you start blaming the victim, the game is over and
everyone loses. Microsoft was a victim, I was a victim, you were a
victim, and millions of others were victims.
Jim mentioned that the worm was the result of "research". Well, does all
research need to be done. During WWII in Germany, there was some medical
research done in the field of neurology that provided information we
still depend on today. Should that research been done? The information
would have become available using legit means later.
Just some food for thought on where people might best spend their time
and effort.
IMHO,
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny Mann [mailto:Kennymann@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:08 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Legal consequences (Was: RE: OT: Loser found
responsible for worm)
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Hmm, I've started thinking...
The kid is probably going to be put to jail for a long while and given
some hefty fines for billions of dollars worth of damages probably.
Should we treat virus writers (and modifiers) as rapists and murderers?
For the most part, most viruses do not deal bodily harm or really hurt
someone.
Hmm, interesting question.
I believe I recall one of the viruses (Sobig or Lovsan) that screwed
over a Nuclear Power Plant. Many people could have died because of his
actions. Not just cost business's money, cost people their lives.
Should Microsoft be held partly responsible for not devoting enough to
security or should people have their own fault to blame because they
didn't update their machine, or should it all go to the virus writter?
OR spread it around?
If I write a virus and it deals $100 million, but the guy across the
street writes one and it deals $4 billion, will the consequence be
adjusted accordingly?
In my administration folder (A folder which received emails that state
if anything weird happens), I get 100+ more emails per day of prohibited
attachments and such because this dude wrote a virus. On the other hand,
I get _more_ emails from spammers. Almost all those viral emails are
directed towards only 4 people of our <50 person company.
Something to dwell on for the day.
Kenny Mann
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Kuhn - MCSE [mailto:bkuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:58 AM
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>I'd still use the sharpest tool in the shed on his head. I
>have some sharp tools in my shed and I volunteer to use them
>on him and on each and every other criminal a$$hole who pulls
>that kind of stunt.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bailey, Matthew [mailto:MBailey@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:35 AM
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>I don't think I made my point very clearly. The guy they
>arrested today deserves EVERYTHING he gets and maybe more. I
>think the point I was making is they haven't caught the true
>culprit behind Blaster worm just some script kiddie who
>modified the existing code and tested it in a public place.
>We aren't talking about the sharpest tool in the shed.
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>- Matt
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