Why make a fuss if you don't provide captures? We and diddle around for months and never come to a conclusion until captures are provided. This is a critical skill that you must master, otherwise you're just an weak empiricist and everything network centric ends up being "magic" to you. It's not magic and the tools are free, as is the education. All you need to invest in is time. Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7> MVP -- ISA Firewalls ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew English Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:04 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [isalist] Re: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] FTP Servers Jim, None of the workstations use the web proxy, or firewall client software of ISA 2004. They use Secure NAT, they are going out through ISA like if you had a dummy Linksys cable DSL router. Example: ISA is on 192.168.1.1 GW: for all clients on the DHCP server is 192.168.1.1, again there is no web proxy setup and no firewall client ware installed. Secondly what I meant in my other comment which you are so egger to twist around is that I have not tampered with the default firewall settings of ISA, yes I have added my own rules to the system, but if you look at the default core settings for ICMP, etc they have all been left alone. Now are you going to keep acting this way if I say, you know Jim I installed a new ISA server that only had two rules in it, one for the FTP server to the outside using the default FTP Server protocol, and the other which is the default DENY rule that ISA creates? Are you going to blame on the web proxy or firewall client if neither are installed or being used? Lets be realistic here, if you don't know the answer why ISA out of the box with two rules in it won't connect to FTP servers that don't use passive mode why make a fuss of it? Why not ask Bill to loan you one his boxes, install ISA 2004, email me for a couple test accounts and go to town, then say geez you know there is a bug or maybe Microsoft doesn't care? You have the time and certainly the money to investigate it further, than I do yet you keep hounding people to show you more evidence before you will get off your dairy air and do something.. ;) Regards, Andrew ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Jim Harrison Sent: Wed 22/03/2006 12:33 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] FTP Servers http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- No - you said: "I seem to only be able to get access to FTP servers using PASV modem on my workstations that are setup under secure NAT". This leaves the failing case hanging somewhere between web proxy and firewall clients. You also stated: "..I have had to reinstall ISA 2004.." and "Nothing on the ISA configuration level has been modified or changed", which are just a bit contradictory. You haven't given anyone anything to work from, like: - client errors - ISA logs - captures If the problem is important enough to involve an entire list, its important enough to provide something more than conjecture and contradiction. There are a great many FTP servers that disallow active mode; and with good reason. ------------------------------------------------------- Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! -------------------------------------------------------