Hi Don, I'm curious as to what kind of security you think the packet filter affords you? I see this assumption a lot, but no one has ever explained to me how a simple packet filter like a Cisco device actually perform any level of security for the ISA firewall? I'm asking this not to be confrontational, but in the sincere wish for a cogent answer, because I have never got one other than "I would not feel comfortable putting an ISA firewall in without putting a [fill in the blank] firewall". Which is just a restatement of the original statement they made. Thanks! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Don McCall [mailto:DMcCall@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:12 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA & Cisco... http://www.ISAserver.org I would have to agree with that statment... at the same time I would be very reluctent to install a single device of either of these products... or for that matter any other... by the way I managed to get it working (NTP) for cisco routers that sit behind my ISA that sits behind a PIX that faces the world.... Have a good weekend Don -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 3:27 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA & Cisco... http://www.ISAserver.org There's really no comparison between the two. The Cisco device is simply a router, ISA is a firewall. If they have a routed subnet coming from their ISP, then they can use it between the ISA and the ISP. If they don't then they can use it internally to segregate a couple of subnets. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:22:45 -0400 "Marvin Cummings" <marvc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org I've seen topics mentioned here in the past and now I have one where a client wants to know if their Cisco 2501 router can be used in any way with ISA? I myself am not familiar enough with setting up Cisco devices or to answer that question therefore I suggested using ISA but I figured I'd try here for a 2nd opinion. Anyone have any docs on configuring this type of setup? I'm talking dummy proof with either pictures or detailed explanations of where everything would go. Any responses are appreciated. 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