RE: ISA 2004 Question

I prefer the customer support when a user gets to the edge of his mouse
pad and they are unable
To move the mouse cursor any more.

Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:35 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question


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We always like taking support calls from our customers that call in with
this:

Error: <Computername> has forced an election on the network. Is this
bad?

*pick up phone*
Hi, yeah, ignore that, thanks.
*hang up phone*
*Closes support call with 5 seconds of time on it* Sweeeeeeeeet.... Soda
break time!!!

Kinda balances out them random, non-patterned BSOD's which take
weeks/months/years of time to fix... =?P


Now, if you were seeing that every few minutes all day long, then I'd
say you have major issues....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:02 PM
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Yep; here's a good description of Windows browser behavior (if a bit
old):
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=102878 

..and here's one that talks about the regsettings Troy mentioned:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=136712 


  Jim Harrison
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-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:35 PM
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It's common to see a server come up and duke it out to be the master
browser.  My 2003 test network at home has this going on all the time
thanks to a faulty power supply killing one of my servers a few times a
day. There use to be a registry hack if I remember correctly to be able
to leave it turned on but not have it force an election on the network.
Don't know why that'd do you any good, might as well just leave it off
then.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:07 PM
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Not taking it as rude...
The fact is, either:
1 - it didn't occur until after you installed ISA
        or
2 - you didn't notice it until you installed ISA

..either way, neither fact points to ISA in particular and no; ISA
doesn't change the browser service behavior in any way.


  Jim Harrison
  MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
  http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
  http://isatools.org
  Read the help / books / articles!
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:02 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question

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Hi Jim, 

Not to sound rude, but the browser issue only happens on ISA 2004
servers, I have other standard 2003 servers in the same network which
don't hassle me about wanting to be the master browser. Therefore like
it or not the evidence points back to ISA, maybe ISA installs something
which forces Windows 2003 standard server to behave the way it does??

Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:42 AM
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Again; it's Windows, not ISA that owns and operates the Browser service.
ISA isn't doing it, Windows is. ISA neither knows nor cares about the
Windows Browser service. The same behavior is seen if ISA 2000 is
installed on the exact same machine in the exact same environment.
Browser services will always "battle for supremacy" if they're enabled
and running; it's their nature.

  Jim Harrison
  MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
  http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
  http://isatools.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:26 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question

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Thanks Jim, 

However is it normal for ISA 2004 to do this?

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:35 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question

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Windows machines compete for the master browser role according to OS and
domain role. You can disable the browser service without any real
problems unless you really like "browsing" the network.

  Jim Harrison
  MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
  http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
  http://isatools.org
  Read the help / books / articles!
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:02 PM
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Subject: [isalist] ISA 2004 Question

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I have noticed on a couple ISA 2004 Server installs that I have done
that the DC reports the ISA wanting to be the master browser in the
System Event logs. I wonder if it's okay to disable the Computer Browser
on the ISA machine? 

In both cases the ISA machines have been running on Windows 20003 Server
Standard in their own boxes connected to the DC like you'd connect any
old workstation. 

Andrew

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