Re: How BAD is SQL on ISA?
- From: "Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CIT1.1)" <Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'[ISAserver.org Discussion List]'" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:31:23 -0500
Yeah, I do remember something with the table definitions being screwed up in
the scripts on the CD. I'll keep looking, I haven't completely exhausted
the possibilities. Just getting less and less likely...
-Shawn
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Shawn R. Quillman
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-----Original Message-----
From: William Robertson [mailto:william.robertson@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 AM
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Damn!!!!! So sorry to hear you lost your DTS Packages Shaun as I have
once before tried to do it but I ran into many problems with datatype
conversions.
If you have any pointers on the necessary SQL table definitions and the
respective column's datatypes then that could prove most useful. I have
tried using the SQL Scripts available on the ISA CD but it is exactly
these scripts that do not work too well when using DTS.
Cheers
William R.
-----Original Message-----
From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CIT1.1) [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 15 January 2003 20:34 PM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: How BAD is SQL on ISA?
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Sweet. My DTS package has gone the way of the dodo apparently... That
was
a while ago.
-Shawn
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Shawn R. Quillman
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-----Original Message-----
From: cismic [mailto:cismic@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:14 PM
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Hi All,
BCP is a good option. However before you use BCP to import logs you
have to
use the PREPLOG function from the resource kit to remove the # lines
form
the logs. BCP won't import that information. I have scripts that Jim
has
on his site that will import to SQL databases. Included are the TSQL
procedures to insert rows and the table layouts. I will try and get my
scripts to Jim that also will import the Packet and Firewall logs.
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CIT1.1) [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:12 AM
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I had a DTS package at one point that did this (I think). Let me go see
if
I can find it.
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Shawn R. Quillman
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38000 Hills Tech Drive
Farmington Hills, MI 48331
(248) 553-1164 (P) (248) 848-2855 (F)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [ISAQFE] [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:02 AM
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Actually, a BCP script that grabs yesterday's logs would be very useful.
Who's a SQL guru here?
Jim Harrison
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----- Original Message -----
From: "William Robertson" <william.robertson@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 23:02
Subject: [isalist] Re: How BAD is SQL on ISA?
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Ok everybody, I think I get the picture. The bottom line is that I
shouldn't
consider compromising my ISA Configuration by installing SQL Server.
On the other hand, I am still not entirely convinced that I want to get
ISA
Server to log directly to a different server, because if anything
happens on
the network or that other server, then my ISA server won't be able to
log
and thus all Internet Surfing will be compromised, if not disabled.
In light of this, I propose the following, leave ISA Server to log to
flat
files, and then every morning I run a batch script to "archive" the
previous
days logs into a SQL Server database on a different server. As far as I
can
tell this is possibly my best approach, except for the fact that the
importing data from the logfiles into SQL could become quite hairy.
I see that Jim Harrison has a script on his website that will apparently
do
just this, but it is unfortunately only for the WEB Proxy logs, so I was
wondering if anybody out there actually has some .vbs & .sql scripts
that
will cater for all 3 logfiles?
Cheers
William R.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 14 January 2003 20:21 PM
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Hi Jim, et. al.,
SQL logging puts a considerable performance hit on the server, and if
you're
hosting the database on the ISA Server itself, you may hit the glass
ceiling
:-)
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:44 AM
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Generally speaking, stick to your "least privileges" concept; you can't
go
wrong there. Perf, vulnerabilities and user rights become harder to
control
when you have multiple users accessing your firewall; even if only for
SQL
usage.
If $$ pushes you into that train track of thought, then make sure you:
1.
set a strong password for the "sa" account and control database access
permissions with an iron fist 2. don't provide direct access to the SQL
admin account from outside (no direct SQL calls); no PF for SQL access!
3.
remove any master-db SP and XP that you don't need for normal SQL
operations; many vulnerabilities have been found therein. 4. No one, but
NO
ONE except the server admin gets administrative access to the SQL
services!
Jim Harrison
MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
http://isaserver.org/pages/author_index.asp?aut=3
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----- Original Message -----
From: "William Robertson" <robertson.william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 02:11
Subject: [isalist] How BAD is SQL on ISA?
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Hi there
I live in a principle of least privileges and so I do not install
anything
on my ISA Server which is not absolutely CRUCIAL to the survival of my
Firewalling Strategy.
However, I have been considering the option to start logging all ISA
requests to a SQL Database as opposed to flat files which is currently
the
default logging method.
If I was to do this then I would like to keep the ISA Firewall
independant
of any other server and as a result I would need to install SQL Server
onto
my ISA Firewall.
What I would like to know is this:
1) Is it at all a good idea to install a product such as SQL Server onto
my
ISA Firewall?
2) How robust is ISA when it comes to logging to a SQL Database as
opposed
to the flat files?
3) How will it impact any Server Publishing rules that I have already
created on port 1433 (SQL Server)?
Cheers
William R.
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