RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA 2004
- From: "Roy Tsao" <roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 06:13:46 -0600
Hi Tom,
The reason why I need webproxy authentication as essentional
condition is due to filering plug-in for ISA Box like Surfcontrol
and GFi download security. This URL is FYR
http://kb.surfcontrol.com/display/1/index.asp?c=&cpc=&cid=&r=0.8053095
Next I need autoconfig to make FWC direct use Webproxy and have bypass
function!
I do believe those are quite important setting for not minor party of
ISA administrators and I don't how they did in the past.
I may wondering why MS$ make this option while it does not work
consistantly.
Thanks,
Roy Tsao
> Hi Roy,
>
> Well, it was never until KB 885683 fixed the problem!
>
> :)=20
>
>
> Tom
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:00 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA 2004
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Hi Shinder-sama,
>
> May I know the reason why for "never"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roy Tsao
>
>
> > Hi Roy,
> >=20
> > I think I might understand your problem now.
> >=20
> > You should *never* enable the "ask unauthenticated users to
> > authenticate" option. If you want to force authenticaiton, use Access
> > Rules=3D20
> >=20
> > HTH,=3D20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Tom
> > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:56 AM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA 2004
> >=20
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >=20
> > To All Married Guys,
> >=20
> >=20
> > The disucssion threads caused by me seems to be overflow while
> > I really want to make sure the correct configuration and get
> > to know the working merchanism. To summarize the past discussion,
> > what I want to know is=3D20
> > - based on Client type: 1) FWC 2)WPC (webproxy)
> > - at conditions: "webproxy authentication is enabled"
> > "autoproxy configuration shall be applied"
> > autodisvoery is properly configured already
> > - result: right configuration so that no popup ask for authencaiton
> =3D20
> > in web browsing
> > =3D20
> > After verious kinds of test in my VM, the situation is like this:
> > 1) FWC:
> > problem 1): if select "autodect ISA server" at FWC, it fails
> > to find out unless "webproxy authentication is
> disabled"
> > problme 2): if only select "autoconfig script" option at FWC tab
> > for interal network configuration, popup windows
> > asking for authentication comes up unless modify
> > the autoscript URL by replace "ISA_FQDN" into
> > "isa_host_name"
> > no popup authentication windows only when select "autodetect" at
> > at FWC tab for interal network configuration.
> >=20
> > 2) WPC:
> > problem 3): in addtion to check webproxy agent, enable either
> > autodectection or autodectation option at brower
> > will bring up authentication windows (this
> > must be caused by webproxy authenciation requirement),
> > keep click cancel "Pop-up" so that broswer act
> > just as natural WPC without autoconfiguration data to
> > pass
> > authentication.
> > WPC must be manually setup including bypass list at client brower
> > side.
> >=20
> > As a conclusion, there is setting limitation for autoproxy/detection
> > when "webproxy authentication is required for all users". Kindly
> > let me know your some explanation for above problem 1) -3) if you=3D20
> > think I am wrong.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> >=20
> > Roy Tsao
> >=20
> > =3D20
> >=20
> >=20
> > > Hi Roy-sama
> > >=3D20
> > > The entries in DNS or DHCP provide the client information about how
> to
> > > get the autoconfiguration information. That information is published
> > on
> > > the autodiscovery port you configure on the ISA firewall.
> > >=3D20
> > > HTH,=3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Tom
> > > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:00 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA 2004
> > >=3D20
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >=3D20
> > > Thank you Shinder-san. Yup, I did know the setting for autodiscovrey
> > > through both DHCP and DNS BUT BUT I have not known this kind of
> > > setting for WPAD also needed for "Autoconfig", if so I have taken
> > > a basic wrong concept regarding autocnfig setting, believe
> > > not small number of ISA guys are the same, then I could understand
> > > many posts in local forum here asking about why POPUP window
> > > for authenciation though autoconfig is setted up.=3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > > Hi Roy,
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > Works the same in ISA Server 2004 (mostly):
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > =3D3D
> > >
> >
> http://www.isaserver.org/img/upl/isaedukit/5automate/5automate.htm=3D3D3D=
> 2
> 0=3D
> >=20
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > Tom
> > > > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > > > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:14 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA 2004
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > S guy,
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > To be perfectly honest with you, it is first time for me to know
> > > > wpad entry is reuired in dns for "autoproxy" I/O "autodectection"
> > > > (=3D3D3D3Dautodisvoery). I never know it shall be prepare for
> > webproxy/fwc
> > > > client!
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > Roy Tsao
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > P.S.: why don't you spend you time with you lovely wife, network
> is
> > > not
> > > > your main after your marriage otherwise your wife shall complain
> you
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > in talking with lot of guys known! Kidding!!!
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > Roy
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Yes you need a wpad entry in dns pointing to the internal ip of
> > isa.
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Also make sure your wpad string is http://wpad/wpad.dat
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > WITH NO PORT NUMBER after the 1st wpad
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > S
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:03 AM
> > > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA 2004
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Dear Jim-san,
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Sorry for disturbing you a lot but please be advised that I am
> not
> > > > pro.
> > > > > in network (it is just my private fan to learn computer network
> > > which
> > > > is
> > > > > far from my present career), nor I am a native English speaker
> but
> > > > > oriental guy, please be patient!
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > 1) unfiltered logs: I am not trying to hide it but it will be
> very
> > > > hard
> > > > > for you to read it out since my ISA version is not English so
> > you
> > > > > may not judge what it is. May I try to take it out and send
> it
> > to
> > > > > your private address.
> > > > > 2) Brower configuration: the brower at client end has no setting
> > > since
> > > > > FWC is installed namely initially not setting and it becomes
> > > > > autoconfiguration webproxy client as per FWC's setting. The
> > > > > autoconfiguration is checked finally with no other options.
> That's
> > > why
> > > > I
> > > > > did not answer the browser's question
> > > > > 3) Request merchanisam on http://wpad...: It is really a helpful
> > > > > information for me to know those form you. I can download
> wpad.dat
> > > if
> > > > I
> > > > > replace "wpad"
> > > > > into "firewall_host_name:8080". Shall I sent this file to you?
> > Also,
> > > > do
> > > > > I need to configure DHCP to point WPAD into right ISABOX
> internal
> > > > > address, I am getting confused in WPADed things aside from
> > > > > autodectection.
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > Roy Tsao
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > The discussion centers on "autoconfiguration".
> > > > > > This functionality is based on a request for
> > http://wpad/wpad.dat
> > > > from
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > the browser and http://wpad/wspad.dat from the FWC.
> > > > > > This is why I want you to examine the wpad.dat.
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > You still have not answered the browser question.
> > > > > > You still have not provided unfiltered log entries.
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > This isn't magic, Roy and I don't read minds.
> > > > > > I do tire of playing oral surgeon, though.
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:04 PM
> > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA
> 2004
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > Dear Harrison-san,
> > > > > > =3D3D3D20
> > > > > > The setting of my present VM lab ISA box is:
> > > > > > - Access rules only two:
> > > > > > 1) allow internal to external/all protocol /all users
> > > > > > 2) deny all as default
> > > > > > =3D3D3D20
> > > > > > - Internal Network Property:
> > > > > > <Firewall Client>=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > [CHECK] Enable Firewall Client support
> > > > > > [UNCHECK] Auto detect setting
> > > > > > [CHECK] Auto config script
> > > > > > [SELECT] Use custom URL =3D3D3D3D
> > > > > http://isalocal.firewall.local:8080...
> > > > > > [UNCHECK] Use a Web Proxy Server
> > > > > > <Domain> =3D3D3D20
> > > > > > *.firewall.local
> > > > > > <Web Brower>=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > [CHECK] Bypass Proxy for Web server in this network
> > > > > > [CHECK] Directly Access computer specified in the
> Domain
> > > tab.
> > > > > > Directly Access server & domain: *.firewall.local
> > > > > > <Web Proxy>
> > > > > > [CHECK] Enable Web proxy client
> > > > > > [CHECK] HTTP at 8080
> > > > > > Authentication: [CHECK] Integrated/ Require All User
> =3D3D
> > > to=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > authenticate
> > > > > > <Auto Discovery>
> > > > > > No setting
> > > > > > <Address>
> > > > > > 10.0.0.0-10.0.0.255
> > > > > > =3D3D3D20
> > > > > > Web browser setting at client end will be automatically
> > configured
> > > > by
> > > > > > FCW setting and become WebProxy client for HTTP.
> > > > > > =3D3D3D20
> > > > > > I don't know why I need a wpad.dat since no auto discocery.
> > > > > > =3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Please stop trimming the thread.
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > I advise that you provide more than a single modified log
> > entry.
> > > > > > > I can't help you if you insist on filtering the data.
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Additional questions:
> > > > > > > Q1 - exactly how is the browser configured?
> > > > > > > Q2 - exactly what is the web proxy configuration for the
> > > Internal=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > network?
> > > > > > > Q3 - when you do receive the wpad.dat file, exactly what
> data
> > > is=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > found between "{" and "}" in:
> > > > > > > "function MakeIPs"
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > "function MakeNames()"
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:22 AM
> > > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Help with the web proxy setup in ISA
> > 2004
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > I did understand your points, also I have took a examin at
> > > whole=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > logs before & after changing from FQDN to hostname.
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Anyhow, when FQDN is used, there is POPUP asking for
> > > > authentication,
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > could you advise any possible reason?
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Roy Tsao
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Try not to "filter" the log data.
> > > > > > > "Imaginary" information is useless.
> > > > > > > If you have a problem sending it to the list, then you need
> > > to=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > rethink your security model.
> > > > > > > "Security by obscurity is no security at all".
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Also, you should examine more than a single log entry - it's
> > > just
> > > > as
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > likely that you're looking at the wrong one.
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D20
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