[isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting

  • From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:49:34 -0800

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That's what I meant when I said "However, the tags are for clients, and
not ISA." ;)

t

> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:40 PM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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> 
> ISA doesn't "see" meta-tags.
> The only part of the HTTP traffic that matters for caching are
requests
> / response headers.
> 
> Craptures of this would be interesting...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:21 PM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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> 
> Well, in these tests, no.  We didn't wait more than a day. But it
> shouldn't have mattered since caching was disabled in the first place,
> and the meta-tags specifically said not to cache.  However, the tags
> are
> for clients, not ISA.
> 
> I hunch is that this is a combination of ISA and IIS7 (on Server
2008).
> None of the other sites exhibited this behavior - mine is the only one
> running on IIS7/2008.  ISA was told not to cache, and it wasn't (as
> evident by the CacheDir showing *nothing*).
> 
> But now that caching is enabled in general on ISA, but we're not
> caching
> internal sites, it's odd that mine *is* still caching - again, given
> evidence from CacheDir showing my files in the cache.
> 
> My guess is that for whatever reason, the ISA-IIS7 caching
> communication
> is slightly left of plum.  The site is caching whether caching is
> enabled or not, and whether it's told to cache or not (when enabled).
> In the case of overall cache being disabled, I couldn't even get to it
> to mark it as obsolete, but I can now, so at least we've got a good
> place to start troubleshooting when Jim comes up for air.
> 
> t
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of William Holmes
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:41 AM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I assume because you say no matter how long that you waited longer
> than
> > 1 day
> > correct? I set my web server to enable content expiration and the
set
> > it to
> > expire immediately. No because I think it's a good idea but because
> my
> > user's
> > demand as much concurrency as possible. Setting this has always
> flushed
> > the
> > cache on ISA. I have not tried this with IIS7 so it may have nothing
> to
> > do
> > with it.
> >
> > I have not had much luck with meta tags be paid attention to. But
> again
> > that
> > might be how I tried to use the tags. I was not sure if ISA was
> simply
> > ignoring them but it "seemed" like it.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:16 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Default. 1 day.
> >
> > All pages however, have the meta tag no-cache, therefore the TTL
> should
> > be
> > ignored.
> >
> > The issue is that no matter how long one waits, the page does not
> > refresh
> > until the ISA services are restarted.
> >
> > S
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of William Holmes
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:03 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > What IS the default TTL set on the IIS server you are publishing?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:34 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I restarted ISA and the updated page displayed. He restarted IIS7 a
> few
> > times.
> >
> > Cache was disabled.
> >
> > His site is the only one that seems to be affected by this. All my
> > sites show
> > updated pages when they've been edited. As does ISATools.
> >
> > I have enabled the cache, and his site ain't in it, because it's in
> the
> > no
> > cache rule. (as are mine).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:23 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I thought Tim said you guys restarted the ISA?
> > ..or was that the web server?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:19 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Just to put the cat in amongst the pigeons...cache was disabled.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:59 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I was actually about to suggest that it has something to do with
> IIS7,
> > 'cos
> > all the other sites update fine and do not require a restart of the
> > service.
> >
> > S
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:46 AM
> > To: ISA Mailing List
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > FYI - I just made more changes, hit F5, and they immediately
> refreshed
> > as expected.  Must be some IIS7/Win2k8 voodoo.
> >
> > t
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:10 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > I think Steve tried that, but I can't be sure... (restarting the
> > > service, that is).
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:02 PM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for hiding - paying customers, yano...
> > > >
> > > > Actually, all it would have taken is a services restart.
> > > > You have to remember that cachedir only sees what's on disk.
> > > > If ISA hasn't dumped it to the file, cachedir can't see it.
> > > >
> > > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms814069.aspx is the
> > correct
> > > > answer to clearing specific content from the ISA cache.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:21 PM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > It required a reboot of the server - which ain't good, but it is
> > what
> > > > it is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have an idea why?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:37 PM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing listed at all in CacheDir.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:10 PM
> > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try using CacheDir.exe to find the file.Would be interesting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > > Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
> > > > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > >         Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:48 PM
> > > >         To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >         Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not
reflecting
> > > >
> > > >         Yes, the new file has the correct date/time stamp.   As
I
> > > said,
> > > > it works internally, just not through ISA...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         Tried the Ctrl-F5 trick, and that doesn't work.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         This is happened before, and I'm not sure what I did to
> fix
> > > it
> > > > (other than maybe rebooting).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         Any other ideas?  This is quite strange...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         t
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayo, Bill
> > > >         Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:41 PM
> > > >         To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >         Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not
reflecting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         I have seen this happen where the updated files on the
> > > internal
> > > > site actually have an older date than the ones they replaced.
> The
> > > > solution for this is to "touch" the files to update the
> > modification
> > > > date.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         Bill Mayo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > >         Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:48 PM
> > > >         To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >         Subject: [isalist] Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > >         OK, we and an un-named Scot can't figga this one out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         Typical web publishing rule - everything works fine.
> > > However,
> > > > if I change content on the internal server, when you view the
> site
> > > > externally (via ISA) the "old" content is still there like it's
> > > cached
> > > > or something.  Viewing the site internally shows the new
content.
> > > Even
> > > > disabling and re-enabling the rule exhibits the same behavior
> > > > (disabling the pub rule prevents access to the site as
expected).
> > > The
> > > > site is exempt from ISA caching rules.   The internal server has
> > been
> > > > rebooted, etc (which you would not have to do, but just letting
> you
> > > > know).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         WTF is going on here?  What have I forgotten?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         t
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