[isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting

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Indeed - no failed requests, no errors, just the "old" page.  Even with
the internal site shut down (tested both with the site stopped and the
web server service stopped) the site still showed up.  So, there must be
some issue with IIS7 and ISA caching - even though the site was (and
still is) part of the non-cache sites.  Steve tested caching rules this
morning, and they worked (I don't think caching was even enabled).

Jim said something about the "CacheDir" only showing what was on disk --
the site has been running for months with no changes at all.  If it was
being cached by design, it would certainly have shown up by then... But
again, caching was off - or it was supposed to be off, anyway.  And the
meta tags on the site prevent IIS caching... 

t



> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:42 AM
> To: ISA Mailing List
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
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> 
> No failed request...it was just showing the old page. Obviously it was
> cached somewhere.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:37 AM
> To: ISA Mailing List
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
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> Got ISA logs for the failed requests?
> The s-cache-info field should help.
> Otherwise, we'd need a network crapture.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:34 AM
> To: ISA Mailing List
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
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> 
> I restarted ISA and the updated page displayed. He restarted IIS7 a
few
> times.
> 
> Cache was disabled.
> 
> His site is the only one that seems to be affected by this. All my
> sites show updated pages when they've been edited. As does ISATools.
> 
> I have enabled the cache, and his site ain't in it, because it's in
the
> no cache rule. (as are mine).
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:23 AM
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> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
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> I thought Tim said you guys restarted the ISA?
> ..or was that the web server?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:19 AM
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> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
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> 
> Just to put the cat in amongst the pigeons...cache was disabled.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:59 AM
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> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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> 
> I was actually about to suggest that it has something to do with IIS7,
> 'cos all the other sites update fine and do not require a restart of
> the service.
> 
> S
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:46 AM
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> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> 
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> 
> FYI - I just made more changes, hit F5, and they immediately refreshed
> as expected.  Must be some IIS7/Win2k8 voodoo.
> 
> t
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:10 PM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
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> >
> > I think Steve tried that, but I can't be sure... (restarting the
> > service, that is).
> >
> > t
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:02 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
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> > >
> > > Sorry for hiding - paying customers, yano...
> > >
> > > Actually, all it would have taken is a services restart.
> > > You have to remember that cachedir only sees what's on disk.
> > > If ISA hasn't dumped it to the file, cachedir can't see it.
> > >
> > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms814069.aspx is the
> correct
> > > answer to clearing specific content from the ISA cache.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:21 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > > It required a reboot of the server - which ain't good, but it is
> what
> > > it is.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone have an idea why?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:37 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There is nothing listed at all in CacheDir.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:10 PM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Try using CacheDir.exe to find the file.Would be interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
> > > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >         From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > >         Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:48 PM
> > >         To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >         Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > >         Yes, the new file has the correct date/time stamp.   As I
> > said,
> > > it works internally, just not through ISA...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Tried the Ctrl-F5 trick, and that doesn't work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         This is happened before, and I'm not sure what I did to
fix
> > it
> > > (other than maybe rebooting).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Any other ideas?  This is quite strange...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayo, Bill
> > >         Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:41 PM
> > >         To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >         Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         I have seen this happen where the updated files on the
> > internal
> > > site actually have an older date than the ones they replaced.  The
> > > solution for this is to "touch" the files to update the
> modification
> > > date.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Bill Mayo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >         From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > >         Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:48 PM
> > >         To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >         Subject: [isalist] Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > >         OK, we and an un-named Scot can't figga this one out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Typical web publishing rule - everything works fine.
> > However,
> > > if I change content on the internal server, when you view the site
> > > externally (via ISA) the "old" content is still there like it's
> > cached
> > > or something.  Viewing the site internally shows the new content.
> > Even
> > > disabling and re-enabling the rule exhibits the same behavior
> > > (disabling the pub rule prevents access to the site as expected).
> > The
> > > site is exempt from ISA caching rules.   The internal server has
> been
> > > rebooted, etc (which you would not have to do, but just letting
you
> > > know).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         WTF is going on here?  What have I forgotten?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         t
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