Correct, Transitive Trusts can not be changed, just about the only way you can create safe separation between domains that live in the same forest is to have your public DMZ domain live and breathe on a separate IP segment separated by a router, this way you could target port specific services and filter out the rest, that would be one heck of master plan though, not one I would even conceive of doing, I can't think of a reason why this configuration is needed. -----Original Message----- From: Rogers, Brian [mailto:RogersB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:25 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: AD in DMZ http://www.ISAserver.org My concern is if the inet domain is compromised (even as a child domain to an empty root) that the compromised domain admin account could wreak havoc on the other internal domains in the organization. I didn't think it was possible to change the transitive trusts inside a forest. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Maks [mailto:gmaks@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:14 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: AD in DMZ http://www.ISAserver.org Hate to disagree with you, but domain admins DO NOT have total access across the forest, only the Enterprise Admins do, the members of the Enterprise Admins are responsible for creating and managing the forest which includes any child domain that is created from the ROOT Domain, then assign Domain Admins to existing Child domains using the Domain Admins group in each respective Child Domain, in fact when nested domains are created the type of trust is known as a transitive trust relationship, rights are recognized between domains but MUST BE GRANTED First, so the only way the admin of Domain B would have rights to the ROOT domain is if the Enterprise Admin granted it, this goes for all users in each domain in the forest. Sorry ... -----Original Message----- From: Deus, Attonbitus [ mailto:Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:39 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: AD in DMZ http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org> At 10:01 AM 7/10/2003, you wrote: > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org> > >Can anyone think of any reason to have a public DMZ domain placed in the >same forest as your internal AD domain? Not any *secure* reason. You cannot prevent a domain admin in one domain from being a domain admin in another domain in the same forest. 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