[PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)

I apologized for sounding grumpy.

Room, area or region is all i asked.

I pushed the help button and on-line documentation, and by the time I got through all the material the sun is setting on me. The board needs to be out tonight. Thats all.

The last email got sent early, before completing my story.

But I'll get on to trying to set up constraint area.

Thanks to everyone, its always fun. I'll call support next time (less bashing).

Sam




-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Mattice <DMattice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 2:03 pm
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)

Constraint area.
 
Do you have on line help? Depending on what version of Allegro you are running,
You will need to add a physical constraint set and a spacing constraint set.
The spacing for your 4 mil requirement and the physical is where you can add the particular
VIA symbol name. These of course are properties that get attached to the constraint area shape.
Read my earlier email for the class(layer) it is on.
 
Then be sure to fill in the Assignment table and Set DRCmodes.
 
Sam, I agree with Gary, This forum is monitored by everyday workers like yourself. We get paid
To get all the dots connected properly. I for one do NOT get overtime and must stay till something is
Completed or released. Consequently, taking the time to run through some of these more entry level
Questions for you costs us too. I am not grumpy today and happen to feel pretty good. And for now I do
Have a little free time, And I have an answer for you so I answered. That is not always the case but I do read
Most of the posts and have picked up some nuggets from time to time. And I have used this crazy
Software for 14 years or so.
 
I would advise you to talk these things over with your management to try and get you some training. But
Ask them when you are NOT grumpy but happy. Ha-ha
dm
 
 
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sjchar3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:39 PM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)
 
Grumpy is ok cause when i ask for help, I get "pay money and get training".  A first grader could probably come up with an answer like that.
 
Our company does IC's. I build little boards to validate the ICs. The company pays big money to keep the ic designers busy. I get peanuts during breaks.
I'm at the bottom or last in line when it comes to training.
 
I'm also grumpy today. So do I set up a room or area?
 
thanks Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:29 pm
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)
 
If your company is paying a million dollars in support, I would think some of the other users at your company could help you.  You must have more than just yourself...
 
Pardon me for getting a little grumpy, but we don't get any of that support money and after 3 or more years or more of your very basic questions I'd have thought you'd have realized that you NEED training, not support.  Getting snotty about ot doesn't help your case.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sjchar3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:10
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)
Gary, thanks, I'll ask for money to take training..I thought our million dollars for support would handle questions.
 
Thanks
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: Macindoe, Gary <Gary.Macindoe@xxxxxxx>
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:16 am
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)
Dave,
 
I build the Constraint Area into the BGA library part, and assign the NET_SPACING_TYPE and NET_PHYSICAL_TYPE (= BGA) there also.
That way, it does move with the BGA symbol, even if you modify its extents.
 
Also, “sjchar3” (name?), it sounds like you need to talk your employer into some formal training!
 
Good luck!
 
Gary
 
 
Gary E. MacIndoe
PCB Design Engineer
Fort Collins, Colorado
amd.com
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Mattice
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:17 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: rooms and areas (beginner with performance)
 
I have always used a Constraint Area for this. And assigned the appropriate
Spacing and Physical constraint sets. Only trouble is that the constraint does not follow
The component when moving. You can create a Alternate and lock it in place that way.
 
dm
 
From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sjchar3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:21 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] rooms and areas (beginner with performance)
 
group: I have a BGA and I would like to route 4 mil trace between pins, and only a certain via would be used in this location. The rest of the board is 8 mil traces. Do i set up a room, area or region? 

Thanks Austin for you earlier reply.

Thanks again.
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