Gene, I've been on 15.1 for months and have just moved to 15.2. Yes on 15.2 the rats do show when you move a part off of its connection (even if you have all rats turned off). I can't remember if you can modify this behavior or not, other than putting a "NO_RAT" property on the net. Check for this, Edit -> Properties, turn on Nets under the Find tab then click on the pin of the part you think should be ratting. If the NO_RAT property is, it will show up in the Show Properties window. The ref des popping up thing looks to be new. I virtually always have the ref des visible when moving parts (just run a quick script), so I don't know when this *feature* was added, 15.1? When I tried out this feature, the symbol ref des on "Ref Des/Assembly_Top" became visible during the moving action (as opposed to the "Ref Des/Silkscreen_Top", the other typical "official" ref des). I would guess that you don't have a choice in which ref des temporarily becomes visible, why would it matter? Gary E. MacIndoe PCB Design Engineer Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 1351 South Sunset Street Longmont, CO 80501 Phone: (303) 774-5159 FAX: (303) 774-5022 -----Original Message----- From: Gene Carman [mailto:gcarman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:10 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] dynamic guides... did they change or what? Seems to me guides used to rubberband or snap to a pin as one moved the parts about... I am using 15.2. Did something change or is there a setting I missed, or am I simply remembering a different tool? I have noticed that the ref des pops up when moving parts too... that is a new action. What layer (group subgroup) must the refdes be on for this? (sure, I can just change colors and look... ) Is there any control of this?