[PCB_FORUM] Re: cadence support forums
- From: "Degennaro, Natalie N" <natalie.n.degennaro@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:02:49 -0700
Mike,
If you or anyone else got the idea that I meant the ICUG was a Cadence
sanctioned group, then I'm sorry - that is NOT what I meant.
I think it was 4-6 years ago or so, that Cadence held what they called
(at the time), Cadence User Group meetings. To my knowledge, Cadence
held these meeting for IC Designers as well as PCB Designers and they
were always at the San Jose Cadence buildings. At least the 3 meetings
that I went to had both Designer disciplines in attendance. They would
give away door prizes and give us lunch as well. The meetings were about
2-3 hours during the lunch time of day, discussing agenda items and
Designer issues. There were usually Cadence Engineers present as well.
I even won one of the door prizes once - it was a black leather and
fabric bomber jacket that had the Cadence logo on the left front with
the Sun Java symbol embroidered on the back. They said at the time that
there were only 50 of these jackets in existence, so I thought I was
pretty lucky to have won one.
Again, I apologize if I led anyone astray.
Natalie
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From: Michael.Catrambone@xxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:01 PM
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: cadence support forums
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Natalie,
I am a little concerned with your last statement:
"Any of you remember when Cadence ran the User Group a few years ago ?"
Do you mean Local User Groups ?
The ICU has been around for 12 years now and has been always totally
independent from Cadence. The ICU Board consists of Cadence users
that plan, schedule and host the conference every September. Cadence is
asked to participate in events like demo night and keynotes but it is
not
ran or controlled by Cadence.
If the perception is that the ICU is ran by Cadence please explain
to me what makes you form this conclusion and how we can change it.
Thanks,
Michael Catrambone
International Cadence Usergroup Chair
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Quite a few Cadence Engineers "watch" this forum and are subscribers. I
have been contacted by a few of them. Perhaps Cadence wants to start
their own forum because they are hoping to get more input on what they
can do better on their software for us PCB Designers. Yes, the ICUG
sends them a list every year and there are more of us that are sending
in PCRs and enhancement requests for our software. But typically the IC
designers are the ones who are "listened to" by Cadence because they are
the most vocal lot (I was told this by Cadence), always asking for more
AND a lot of them ask.
My understanding is that a lot of Allegro Users don't have maintenance
contracts. If you don't have a maintenance contract then you can't turn
in PCRs, so the "voice" of PCB Designers is not as robust and loud as
the IC designers (they pay more for their software so they are more
likely to have maintenance contracts). I am just guessing here.
I know Cadence is making a push now to better understand the PCB side of
things and they truly want to do a better job of supporting us (those of
us with maintenance) and continually upgrade our software. As with any
large company the job of support is not going to be perfect for the
Users. So if Allegro Designers want help and enhancements, they need to
start giving feedback to Cadence, our software supplier, as often as
they can, so our "voice" can be heard, and paid attention to.
I believe that is why they are starting their own PCB design forum.
Any of you remember when Cadence ran the User Group a few years ago? :-)
Natalie DeGennaro
Tool Design Engineer
Intel
(408) 765-8426
The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although I
am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here, in no way represent
Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak on behalf of
Intel on this matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: westfeldt [mailto:westfeldt_nbcd@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:48 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: cadence support forums
Yes I guess my email was cryptic. As Walter said, Cadence is starting a
new
"list", called "cadence support forums". The new Cadence sponsored
list is
definitely in its infancy; there were a total of 5 all-time posts on the
Allegro section. I was just curious if anyone knew why they wanted to
do
that instead of depend on this list, which although not as prolific as
some
others I have known, nevertheless has been very valuable for the 5 years
I
have been here.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Boese Jr. [mailto:walterb@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:31 AM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: cadence support forums
Andy,
I think you misunderstood Patrick. I received an email from Cadence
that
they are starting a support group:
http://supportforums.cadence.com
I believe that was what his email was about.
Walter Boese Jr.
PCB Designer - SGI
Andy_Kulik@xxxxxxx wrote:
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> Hi Patrick,
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> Please let me correct the statement of the age of this list.
> The icu-pcb-forum has been around for a while and was originally
> hosted on topica.com.
> Due to advertisments in the posts we decided to find a new home for
> the icu-pcb-forum. Freelists.org.
> In other words, this forum is NOT in its infancy neither is it young.
> On the other hand, taking Einsteins Theory of Relativity into account,
> well RELATIVE to the date we moved this forum onto freelists.org, yes
> you might consider it young.....
>
> Best Regards
> Andy
> ICU PCB SIG Chair
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> *westfeldt*
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> I just signed up for this to see what it was like, and it's obviously
> in its infancy. Anybody know what this is all about? It's true that
> this icu-pcb-forum is not as prolific as some others I'm on, but I
> don't see why Cadence thinks they will do better. It's my guess that
> the existing forum will get a lot stronger to the degree that Cadence
> tech support gets weaker. That's certainly the situation with PADS.
>
> Patrick Westfeldt, Jr.
> North Boulder Circuit Design
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