Hi George, There was no announcement and this forum is going to continue as is. Also, ICU is not disolved!!! We still exist and own the sites etc. Kind of interesting how this was worded, though. Mike can elaborate a little more on this since he is the head of CDNLive! Bottom line, the rest of the ICU board (except Mike, Sue and Steven) are not part of the new Steering committee Cadence is trying to put in place. In regards to the icu-pcb-forum, things will stay the way they are now until I know more details about CDNLive. Please note that there will be a conference this September and the PCB SIG members are committed to help implement techical content for the PCB side. Stay tuned. I will keep you posted once I know more... Andy ICU PCB SIG Chair george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: 03/03/2005 12:02 PM Please respond to icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject [PCB_FORUM] Re: Prop Delay not seeing all the net I must have missed the announcement here that the independent ICU was being dissolved in favor of a Cadence-controlled user group. Hopefully the new group will reflect the excellent support we all have come to expect from Cadence. "May you live in interesting times" - old Chinese curse -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, PCB Design Group P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com It's my opinion, not Tektronix' -----Original Message----- From: Dave Seymour [mailto:deseymour-pcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 05:31 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Prop Delay not seeing all the net Mike, Your knowledge of Allegro is outside the package keepin. I redid the property and it worked like a champ. I had tried several combinations, couldn't get it. Thanks for your help. Dave. PS: I went up to the ICU page. I had no idea that the User Group was being "updated". Congrats on the Chair seat. Say Hi to Carl and Sue. For any of the other users out there who don't get the the conferences.... Check out: http://www.cadenceusers.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Michael.Catrambone@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mar 2, 2005 6:24 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Prop Delay not seeing all the net Hey Dave.. Howz things.. I believe it is getting confused with the AD:AR All Drivers/All Receivers in the pin pair field. The delay rule could be used to DRC total etch length in 11.X only when you had the pin pair field blank. DELAY_RULE = ::2000:2500 This would convert to the following rule during uprev: PROPAGATION_DELAY = L:S:2000:2500 With the PRE_12.0_DELAY_RULE env variable that you have set it will check the rule the total length of the net only when you have Longest and Shortest in the Pin Pair field. Michael Catrambone UTStarcom, Inc. Dave Seymour <deseymour-pcb 03/02/2005 04:57 PM Please respond to icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc: Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Prop Delay not seeing all the net 15.2 Anyone know why a DRC is generated when the entire net length is correct? The net length is supposed to be between 2000 and 2500 mils. Probing the net gives --->Total Etch Length: 2280.31 MIL. Very good. When the DRC is probed, only a portion of the net is reported. Actual value: 1032.65 MIL Very Bad. What up with that? I did check the box for in the user setup for pre 11.x checking. Thanks for the help. dave LISTING: 1 element(s) < NET > Net Name: CPU_CLK6 Via Count: 3 Total Etch Length: 2280.31 MIL Total Manhattan Length: 2257.7 MIL Percent Manhattan: 101.00% Pin Type SigNoise Model --- ---- -------------- R93.2 BI CDSDefaultIO J5.A13 BI CDSDefaultIO U4.27 IN CDSDefaultInput No connections remaining Properties attached to net CLASS = CPU_CLK NET_SPACING_TYPE = CLOCK NO_GLOSS MANUAL_ROUTES PROPAGATION_DELAY = AD:AR:2000 MIL:2500 MIL LISTING: 1 element(s) < DRC ERROR > Class: DRC ERROR CLASS Subclass: ALL Origin xy: (2083.30 -790.00) CONSTRAINT: Propagation Delay CONSTRAINT SET: PROPAGATION_DELAY CONSTRAINT TYPE: ATTRIBUTE Constraint value: AD:AR:2000 MIL:2500 MIL Actual value: 1032.65 MIL -- Dave Seymour, CID+ Catapult Communications Inc. 800 Perimeter Park Dr, Suite A Morrisville, NC 27560 Direct: (919)653-4249 Main: (919)653-4180 Fax: (919)653-4297 Dave.seymour@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list please login at //www.freelists.org. 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