[PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
- From: "Mitch S. Morey" <cadpro2k@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:12:04 -0800 (PST)
Contracts are SO important in this day and age, aren't they? I'm assuming
you have a contract with this "customer" that specifies this type of IP
theivery is condoned, right?
If not, good luck out there.
> They have Allegro. This customer is a very large customer. I will also use
> it with other customers. We are an ODM company, our customers are in the
> multi-billion income area. I need to keep them from using our data to go
> build it somewhere else and basically get free NRE. Previous designs were
> simple enough so it was no big deal. Now things are much more complex and
> there is a lot of engineering invovled in the designs. Part of it is
> paranoia, but I have see one of our designs end up at a competitor.
> So.......... I need to let them review the designs whenever they want, but
> not have access to the actual data in any format. I could get into more
> detail, but this is not the place to do so.
>
> Thanks to all for the input.
>
>
> Dave Seymour <dave.seymour@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> This is just my 2 cents.
>
> Often the folks who are looking at a design do not know how to
> run Allegro or have don't any desire to know how to run Allegro.
>
> The remote display, with the layout designer driving the display, can
> often get the engineer to the important parts of the design quicker than
> having the engineer view the design alone.
>
> The free viewer does not have all the features of a full blown Allegro
> seat.
> Which can be a value add for the engineer.
>
> I have also found that engineer may not understand what they are looking
> at on the display without the designer helping to explain.
>
> This method has worked well in the past and I'm sticking with it. The
> couple of
> hours spent reviewing a design with an engineer is well worth it. The
> process can add
> value to the PCB designer from the viewpoint of the engineer, who now
> knows that the
> designer is on the same team and working hard to make the design
> successful.
>
> I've used this method in a slave/master configuration on a solaris
> machine for many years now.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> richard moffat wrote:
>
>> "I think a product of this caliber should do better in this regard."
>>
>> That's my thought exactly. And, yes - reviewing can take hours, if
>> not days.
>>
>>
>> >>> On 18/01/2008 at 5:26 a.m., in message
>> , "Austin
>> Franklin" wrote:
>> Hi Jean,
>>
>> Yep, sounds like a viable solution.
>>
>> I'd prefer to see Allegro enhanced with better security though...I
>> think a product of this caliber should do better in this regard.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jean Bratton
>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:57 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>> We ust GoToMeeting. You can let the other part only view the
>> Allegro session, not your whole desktop. The viewer does not have
>> a save option, so I believe this should be safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Austin
>> Franklin
>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:51 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have control of the screen/mouse etc. couldn't they save
>> the design file off somewhere? Reviewing a complex PCB is many
>> hours...and I doubt someone is going to sit there and watch
>> someone do that for hours...
>>
>>
>>
>> If the control is application specific, and not control of the
>> desktop, and the program (Allegro Viewer?) doesn't have a save
>> capability (does it? I don't remember), that could work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
>> Macindoe, Gary
>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:39 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds like your best solution. Weâ??ve used NetMeeting in
>> this regard. You fire up the board, then allow the other
>> person to have control of the mouse.
>>
>> He can check out anything in the design he wants, and you can
>> see exactly what heâ??s doing. He doesnâ??t have the database, you do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary E. MacIndoe
>> PCB Design Engineer
>> Fort Collins, Colorado
>>
>> amd.com
>>
>> gary.macindoe@xxxxxxx
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Wages
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:36 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>>
>>
>> You could always use one of those â??Go to my PCâ?? type viewers.
>> This allows you someone at a remote location to view your PC
>> screen and move your mouse. This would allow them to query
>> items, measure, and view constraints, without providing them
>> the actual database. Caveat being you have to be online with
>> them while they review the layout.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Austin Franklin
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:15 PM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>>
>>
>> But...if he can access the file (as he would have to do if
>> viewing it remotely) then he can copy it. Right?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think your only choice is really printouts or PDF of each
>> layer etc. Or, OBD...why not just output an ODB++ file for
>> him to review?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Austin
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
>> Peter Pietrangelo
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:14 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>> He can then use the database and build it somewhere else.
>> I am trying to protect IP. They have Allegro. Hard to
>> explain on here, but I need to keep the data in our hands.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Gerry Meier
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:40 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>>
>>
>> So if your customer is only going to be using the viewer?
>> send him the .brd file. He canâ??t change anything with the
>> viewer anyway, itâ??s only a copy you still have master
>> data? I donâ??t see the problem or need for remote access?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerry Meier, Sr. PCB Designer
>>
>> Freedom CAD Services. Inc
>>
>> Voice: (256)776-7470 or (603) 864-1350
>>
>> Email:gerry.meier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> visit us at http://www.freedomcad.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Peter Pietrangelo
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:24 AM
>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Remote Allegro file viewing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to be able to have a customer look at a BRD file
>> without having possession of the file itself. As at least
>> some of you know the password protection in Allegro is
>> useless. My customer wants more than PDF files and I need
>> to protect the data. I want the customer to be able to
>> remotely access the file and be able to at least use the
>> commands of the free viewer. Does anyone already have a
>> solution or any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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>
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