George, I spend ~800hours writing utilities, mostly Visual C++ and Matlab. Spend well over a couple of thousand in front of Allegro, and have done so for years! I'm well familiar the Cadence tools, their niceties and occasional little idiosyncrasies!! This isn't inexperience talking!!! Guess the motivation is for fewer hours and more efficiency. At the end of the day, all we are doing is using a tool to turn our creativity, knowledge and experience of engineering into design reality. Nobody should really care how it's done, it's the end deliverable that counts. Will post something about the keypad. Pursuing one one of those single handed curvy ergonomic ones at then moment. Best Regards David Greig ______________________________ GigaDyne Ltd Buchan House Carnegie Campus Dunfermline KY11 8PL United Kingdom t: +44 (0)1383 624 975 http://www.gigadyne.co.uk <http://www.gigadyne.co.uk/> <http://www.gigadyne.co.uk/> ______________________________ _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 2005-May-17 15:52 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Programmable Keypads David: I guess if I only spent 800 hours a year on the tool I would feel the same way :) Allegro is NOT really a tool for the occasional user, although their marketing group would like you to think otherwise. And, personally, I think that many of the UI problems are introduced by misguided efforts to make it behave like a tool that you can be an expert with even if you only use it a one day a year :) Glad you found a solution, may I suggest you post the information for others in case they are in a similar situation? -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, PCB Design Group P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com It's my opinion, not Tektronix' -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Greig Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 06:14 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Programmable Keypads Hi George Unfortunately some of the other CAD stuff does not support scripts, hence the desire for deep key memory. Does seem like there are some point of sale keyboards that will do the job. Amusing, the turning point for "must have" something like Xkeys was the latest hotfix. I had control+F1 (save) and shift+F1 (shape edit) both aliased but they no longer work. Found that out when another one of those crashing calamities happened, no work saved! With lots of slide and delay tune Allegro does have a propensity to be a pig! As far as customising the tool, I draw the line at basic ergonomics. Life is too short, far too short, to spend time on stuff that should be there already! While it's easy and possible to design and build a keyboard, I've chosen to buy one. While it's easy and possible to re-engineer the Allegro core UI, I've already bought one, it's just a bit wanting in a few respects. I do write a fair bit of engineering SW for problems that there are no tools for, so I'm looking at the UI and functionality from both sides of the fence. Probably spend about 5-800 hours a year at this, so don't have a lot of empathy for hard to use interfaces. There may be a fundamental difference between us, I run my own company and pay cash out of my own pocket for tools. Best Regards David Greig ______________________________ GigaDyne Ltd Buchan House Carnegie Campus Dunfermline KY11 8PL United Kingdom t: +44 (0)1383 624 975 http://www.gigadyne.co.uk <http://www.gigadyne.co.uk/> <http://www.gigadyne.co.uk/> ______________________________ -- Virus scanned by Lumison.