[PCB_FORUM] Re: Planes: Negative vs. Positive?

MessageHi Gary,

No, I'm not kidding.  I wasn't aware that the two were determined by
entirely different criteria.  To me, that is not intuitive, and certainly
isn't the same with other tools I've used.  IMO, they both should give the
same results ultimately, or at least should be able to be configured so that
they do.  But, thanks for the explanation.  I use positive planes now, I
used negatives in the past, but in other tools I used them in, they didn't
DRC correctly.

Regards,

Austin

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  You're kidding, right Austin?



  With negative planes, the clearance is determined by the padstack and with
positive planes, the clearance is determined by the shape parameters
(changeable on a shape by shape basis).





  Gary E. MacIndoe
  PCB Design Engineer
  Fort Collins, Colorado

  amd.com

  gary.macindoe@xxxxxxx


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  Hi George,



  Why would the openings around pins be any different between positive and
negative planes?



  Regards,



  Austin

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    Positive plane layers have a much larger opening around pins.  This is
fine if you are doing low to medium speed boards (roughly < 200 MHz clock
speed), but on high-speed designs the impedance discontinuities created by
the huge opening around the pins are significantly greater on a positive
plane than on a negative plane.



    We use negative planes for this reason, and we always use Valor to check
our artworks to make sure we haven't shot ourselves in the foot :)



    YMMV



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[mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob McCreight
      Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 06:51
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      Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Planes: Negative vs. Positive?

      The design team I work with is split one which to use, negative or
positive planes.
      What are the pros and cons of each? What do most people prefer to
work with?
      We are currently using 15.5.1 but evaluating 16.x for possible future
migration.

        Thanks for your feedback.

        Bob McCreight, C.I.D.

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