[PCB_FORUM] Re: Mentor Graphic

Alright already.
Enough about mentor.
Move this thing out of here!

Kevin

Gene Carman wrote:

-----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mitch S. Morey Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:34 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Mentor Graphic


Nope, sorry, Mentor BS only takes the place and route functions from Exp. You'll still need all the other niceties like:

1) on the schematic or the layout can be worked on at any time, or else
you have an 'outta sync' design... TROUBLE!

Big deal, simply run to_layout...  not that big a problem... don't forget to 
back annotate first.

2) creation of gerbers is painful!

Not hardly... although whomever wrote the default menus obviously never did a PWB... but there are some odd glitches in Cadence too... such as the fact that they JUST put in drill charts in version 15... com'on a major too coming up with that this late in the game... I had $1000 DOS tools that did that in the late '80's.

3) Changes? OUCH!

As long as they are driven from the schematic... no problem. And are fill in torMentor is loads faster.

4) Creating uVia drill drawings... PAINFUL!

Cadence doesn't even know the rules for microvias...

5) Place and route WITHOUT BoardstationRE... PAINFUL!
etc. etc. etc.

Well the lack of push and shove in BS is rather laughable... but then so is the fact that there are no component to component rules by class in Cadence. I have yet to see a perfect tool, and in fact am quite disappointed by the actual tools that exist today in the industry.

Seasoned PWB designers MUST customize the heck out of their tools to be really efficient at the tool, thus a designer moving between jobs may end up seeing a different configuration (especially true of Mentor with Ample and changeable menus). Loads of time is spent by designers customizing the tools, some features are then lost as upgrades occur... causing lost time and frustration.

UIs in both tools is laughable... one look at something like Adobe illustrator, or Corel Draw or AutoCAD shows examples of far better menus... and the wonderful ability to "copy properties."

And what about Graphics... Neither Mentor nor Cadence allows a designer to see height issues... cheezy little Protel at least does this... Nope, you have to buy a major third party tool like Pro-E for something every little $59 computer game does dynamically.

Nah... the major EDA tools simply work the designers to the bone, and then rape the suits for a check... it is disgusting.


You begin to see why I wouldn't settle for anything less than $125K/yr!


I heard much the same from many Mentor designers. Rather than being able to deliver fast quality designs... corporations are having to pay for "privilege" of "torturing" designers. But again... there ain't no perfect tools.



Good day.

Oh. Oh. I'll take that for Expedition.
I can solve ANY problem!
Ha!

Kevin

Mitch S. Morey wrote:

Hi Azila,

Put me on a contract for 12 months at $125K and I can teach you all you
need to know about torMentor BS and do some boards for you along the
way.
I'll await your answer.

Good day my friend.




Good luck.



azilahamid@xxxxxxxxx 18/05/2005 3:34:03 p.m. >>>

Hi all, My company going to buy this software, anyone know HOW TO MASTER IT ? OR in another word... " How to use it in a very short time?" Where can I get a manual for operating it without attending the training. OR can somebody teach me to use it from zero??? PLS HELP ME... Currently I am using Protel DXP for our board drawing. Thanks in advance for ANY help.

Best regards,
Azila



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