[PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains my board outline in a DxD schematic?

Hi Jan,

Thanks.  Is the origin of that symbol a DxD schematic symbol?  If so, can
you please send post the DxD symbol file, plus the section of the Allegro
.cfg file (if you don't want to post the whole thing) that deals with
"CLASS=MECHANICAL"?

Regards,

Austin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jan Blückert
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:05 AM
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains my
> board outline in a DxD schematic?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I dumped the libraries from an existing design with an instance
> of mechanical component (Board outline symbol).
> The device file came out like this:
>
> *************************************************
> (DEVICE FILE: BOARD-BOARD-1_1057-2_TVJ119233A)
>
> PACKAGE '1_1057-2_TVJ1192331_D'
> CLASS MECHANICAL
> PINCOUNT 0
>
> PINORDER 'BOARD-BOARD-1_1057-2_TVJ119233A'
> FUNCTION 'TS-1' 'BOARD-BOARD-1_1057-2_TVJ119233A'
>
> PACKAGEPROP PARENT_PART_TYPE BOARD
> PACKAGEPROP PARENT_PPT BOARD
> PACKAGEPROP PARENT_PPT_PART 'BOARD-BOARD'
> PACKAGEPROP PART_NAME BOARD
> PACKAGEPROP PART_NUMBER TVJ123456
> PACKAGEPROP SCH_MODIFIED_PART TRUE
>
> END
> **************************************************
>
> Jan Blückert
> Ericsson AB
> Kista, Sweden
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Austin Franklin
> Sent: den 30 april 2009 14:28
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains
> my board outline in a DxD schematic?
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a device file the can send me that references a
> .bsm (either a fiducial, or a npth, something with no pins on
> it)?  Then, I could see what it is I need to get out of DxD to be
> able to do this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of JCharles
> > TEYSSIER
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:22 AM
> > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains my
> > board outline in a DxD schematic?
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > i remember we have do tha in the past:
> > Define a package symbol, so you can add a reference designator. Do not
> > put any pin.
> > In setup, declare the symbol as mechanical: the reference designator
> > is still here (but can not be directly defined in mecanichal symbol)
> >
> > Use it with capture in front end... works well
> >
> > Jean-Charles
> >
> > Dave Schaefer a écrit :
> > > A comment on Mechanical parts ...
> > >
> > > They are well defined within Allegro and the Cadence tools, but many
> > > downstream 3rd party translators (manufacturing, ICT, etc.)
> > don't support
> > > them and having them in the design will result in corrupt data
> > (I've seen
> > > this with both Fabmaster and Circuitcam).
> > >
> > > I define any true "mechanical" parts that are added via
> > schematic/netlist as
> > > "package" symbols with a small pin as Jeff suggested.
> > >
> > > Hth,
> > >
> > > Dave Schaefer
> > > dave.schaefer@xxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Austin
> > > Franklin
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:45 PM
> > > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that
> > contains my board
> > > outline in a DxD schematic?
> > >
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > I don't know.  It would now be an electrical item, instead of a
> > mechanical
> > > item.  That may cause an issue.  I should be able to do this
> > without that.
> > > People add non-electrical mounting holes to their schematics
> > all the time,
> > > and this should be the same thing.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff
> > >> Schmitt
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:38 PM
> > >> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains
> > >> my board outline in a DxD schematic?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Austin,
> > >>
> > >> I haven't followed this thread closely...but if the only error
> > is that it
> > >> has no pin, what's the harm in adding 1 small (virtually
> > invisible) pin on
> > >> the symbol somewhere?
> > >>
> > >> Jeff
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Austin Franklin
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:44 AM
> > >> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that
> > contains my board
> > >> outline in a DxD schematic?
> > >>
> > >> Hi Nagaraj,
> > >>
> > >> My schematic symbol (and dra) have REFDES.  It's the pins that it's
> > >> complaining about.  When reading it in when I do an import, Allegro
> > >> doesn't like that it has no pins.
> > >>
> > >> So, yes, it would be just like mounting holes that have no
> > >> electrical connection.  Anyone do that with DxD?
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Austin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Shanmugam,
> > >>> Nagaraj
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:34 AM
> > >>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains
> > >>> my board outline in a DxD schematic?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Austin,
> > >>>
> > >>> The third party syntax  $PACKAGES for components needs to
> > have a refdes.
> > >>> Example : 'RS0402_01A' ! RJX0087400 ! 332 ! '1%' ; R390 R391
> > >>>
> > >>> If you need to automate the process then you need to have a refdes
> > >>> defined and created as *.dra symbol. For example like NPTH
> > >>> mounting hole.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hope this helps
> > >>>
> > >>> Nagaraj Shanmugam | Lead Designer - PCB Development
> > >>> nshanmug@xxxxxxxxx
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Austin Franklin
> > >>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:46 PM
> > >>> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: How do I include .dra file that contains
> > >>> my board outline in a DxD schematic?
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Jan,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Not sure about DxD, but with Concept (or Allegro Design Entry
> > >>>> HDL) as the schematic capture tool, non-electrical components
> > >>>> works well and we use this in every design.
> > >>>> (We handle the board outline as a non-electrical component, along
> > >>>> with other stuff of nonelectrical/mechanical nature).
> > >>>>
> > >>> Exactly what I want to do using DxD...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> You have to generate non-electrical symbols as .bsm's on the
> > >>>> Allegro PCB Layout side.
> > >>>>
> > >>> Already done.  I can place it manually, so I know that part works.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Austin
> > >>>
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