Jim, I haven't had too many "out of date" shapes, but I believe just running DBDoctor (Tools -> Database Check...), with both options checked, *should* fix it right up. It really is a good idea to run DBDoctor at least once a day, especially on a complex design or with lots of shape/plane edits. BTW, I also think you should *always* run DBDoctor right before starting artwork generation! You'll just have less problems in general. Good luck! Gary E. MacIndoe PCB Design Engineer Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Longmont, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: J Wages [mailto:jwages@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:19 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Allegro 15.1 Finding out of date dynamic shapes I seem to remember a thread discussion about this, but did not save them. I have an out of date shape on my layout and cannot create artwork. Is there a way to find the out of date shape? Thanx in advance. Jim S. Wages / SR. PCB Layout Designer: Cary, NC - (919) 466-1596