MM,
Let me be precise when I used the term" Rail Terminal that has a value of
0.0"
If any one, or more than one of the following has a value of 0.0, then
it's corresponding rail terminal shall be used as the reference for all
voltage measurements made at the buffer.
(If more than one of these have a value of 0.0 then they shall be
considered shorted together.
)
[Pullup Reference]
[Pulldown Reference]
[POWER Clamp Reference]
[GND Clamp Reference]
Corresponding Rail Terminals
pullup_ref
pulldown_ref
power_clamp_ref
gnd_clamp_ref
From: Mirmak, Michael [mailto:michael.mirmak@xxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 4:31 PM
To: wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx; IBIS-ATM <ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: What is "Local Ground", how are all voltage measurements made
Walter,
I agree with your first proposed sentence. However, not to be pedantic,
how can a Rail Terminal "have" a voltage "value"? The original IBIS text
was murky on this point, but some of our more recent changes are slowly
fixing this to refer only to voltages with respect to defined reference
points. The bullets below may end up conflating the concept of a Rail
Terminal as a (reference) point and a Rail Terminal as a supply having a
voltage with respect to. another point.
I think what is intended in the bulleted lines is:
'The "Local Ground" may be defined as a Rail Terminal. However, the value
of any voltage measurements associated with that Rail Terminal shall be,
by definition, 0.0 (e.g., a Local Ground defined as gnd_clamp_ref for a
given [Model] means that the voltage value entry for [GND Clamp Reference]
shall and must be 0.0).'
This may be a little difficult to enforce and we could end up with some
ambiguous cases, but it's worth testing on existing models.
Also, the additional language you use implies that any rail (e.g. [GND
Clamp Reference]) with voltage value entry 0.0 automatically becomes the
reference. Does that prevent AC voltage noise measurements on those
rails? In other words, does this erase any distinction between the
reference and a rail like [Pulldown Reference] or [GND Clamp Reference]
which may be nominally 0.0 V vs. an unstated Node 0, but may experience
noise effect of interest during operation?
- MM
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[mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter Katz
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:14 PM
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Subject: [ibis-macro] What is "Local Ground", how are all voltage
measurements made
All,
I think that IBIS should simply state:
All voltage measurements at a buffer shall be made relative to a "Local
Ground" node.
The "Local Ground" is defined as any Rail Terminal that has a value of 0.0
volts in DUT conditions.
* If there is no Rail Terminal that has a value of 0.0 volts in
DUT conditions, then
o A component pin rail signal name that has a 0.0V DUT value, then that
signal name shall be "Local Ground".
* If there is no component pin that has a DUT value of 0.0V, then
simulator Node 0 shall be the reference voltage for all voltage
measurements.
Walter
Walter Katz
<mailto:wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx> wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx
Phone 303.449-2308
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